I love prog rock! It's probably my favorite genre of music, although calling "prog" a genre is sort of like calling "metal" a genre, as it's incredibly diverse. I'm a sucker for virtuosity, but the best of the genre is the stuff that blends that musicianship with a real sense of groove (Yes is probably my favorite, which is much more "fun" to listen than something like ELP, which I find pretty sterile).
No need to just stick with the classics, though - modern prog has branched out into so many different areas, there really is something for anyone who loves music out there. And it's also not necessarily limited to rock-oriented guitar driven music, there's "progressive" music being made in pretty much every genre these days, and a huge back catalog spanning decades to explore.
A couple places online that I've found great recommendations are:
* the /r/progressiverock subreddit (a little bit repetitive among the "classics," but still lots of good discussion and recs)
* MOROW - Prog rock radio, I've found a lot of cool stuff listening to this station
* The Best Radio You Have Never Heard - a somewhat eclectic but mostly rock oriented podcast, every two weeks he releases a 1-2 hour show which has lots of great music. This has been going for almost 20 years, and has been consistently excellent. One of my favorite things about TBRYHNH is that the host often finds cool "deep cuts" - live performances, B-sides, etc that you might not have heard before. This show is where I first heard Close to the Edge, it pointed me towards the excellent set of Yes shows that was released as "Progeny" a few years ago, the amazing live version of Time Passages from the Rhymes in Rooms album, Grey Cell Green by Ned's Atomic Dustbin, and dozens of other great tracks. Can't recommend it enough.
Mentally, I use handpicked spotify playlists as if it were an "indie" radio : They are curated (no Spotify algorithms), simple to "activate" (just play), and many are frequently updated.
One advantage is that I can easily "tag" certain music, to explore in depth, but also to find new playlists so that the cycle continues and the music never stops (like a radio).
Speaking of prog, I'm currently enjoying this 80+ hours playlist :) [1].
I have a (open source) side project that is a web radios player [0] and I also discover new music thanks to it.
There's a lot of great radios out there.
One feature I made for myself is to allow to save the current playing artist & song in a list to check it later (you need to create an account though).
If you like FIP you may also like Alternative Radio (French as well) [1]
Muxtape was the best and I still miss it. It would be wonderful to be able to make mixtapes for friends and just share them without needing to be on Spotify or some other walled off service.
NTS radio https://www.nts.live (and the app) is my most recent favorite way to discover, underground/rare/undiscovered music, curated by humans that are experts in their scene or musicians themselves. Covers many genres
I feel like I'm the only person who hates Spotify, Youtube Music, Apple Music, etc... None of them give me music I want. I pick some old 60s vocal jazz and within 40 songs all of them try to stick some pop music into my "radio".
Other issues are picking some artist, clicking "radio" and getting the same playlist every single time, maybe shuffled. The same 10-30 songs. No variety.
Other issues are not understanding what I want. Say I listen to an 80s synth band. Pick "radio" and I'll get effectively "hits of the 80s" instead of "synth bands"
Similarly say I want female vocals, no way to filter on that.
This is one think I liked about the original streaming service, rhapsody. Each artist listed influencers and followers. That was a way more accurate way to find similar music than AI which AFAICT at best sorts by "most users that liked X also listen to Y"
Looking forward to try some of the recommendations here
Nope; seems like the best compliment anyone has for Spotify (as a consumer rather than a SWE) is that it's "fine". It doesn't necessarily have everything, its recommendation engine is mediocre, definitely not the same value it used to be, etc., etc., "but what're you gonna do?"
I for one am happy to use Jellyfin and just stream from my NAS, but that doesn't give the serendipity that something like Rdio did.
I'm trying to identify the kind of music I like, and it's not particularly obscure, but I feel like it hasn't been made before and after 90s and early 2000s.
It's a range from mellow to energetic. On the mellow side we have trip-hop/lo-fi. Clear enough. Plenty of radios for this. On the energetic side we have complex beats like Prodigy. Seen a couple of radios. But in the middle, feels like there's nothing. I'm looking for bands like Garbage. KT Tunstall is similar. The only way I could describe it, is that it's jazzy/bluesy rock from 90s and early 2000s with cool/elegant sounding beats/bass. Quite a lot of Russian rock was like this too in that period. If anyone can identify what I'm talking about, give any pointers, I would much appreciate.
My god, that fits right in. Yes. Would love to find more pointers towards similar music. I didn't know this song (albeit sounds vaguely familiar), and it's instantly going on the playlist.
Edit: Half that album is going on the playlist. I definitely remember hearing erase/rewind, but never knew where it was from.
To reciprocate, here's little known, imo one of the most underrated records by KT Tunstall: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWKj96zhCpw — the more you listen and hear detail, the more it grows on you.
Both of these are on a softer side, but I like heavier-sounding stuff in the same vibe too. (Like Paranoid by Garbage) Most of those tracks in my library are Russian however. :(
One thing that kills me about Spotify and all those is how much hit music they play. It's like the same Stones songs, the same Motorhead songs, the same Police songs... I gave up on them because they won't play anything new or obscure.
And after that, I remembered how much fun it was to go actively look for music. There's tons of live music on Internet Archive, and all those old 78s. (I found a bluegrass band there that just happens to be playing in my town this month. So I bought tickets.)
I've also been having fun going to the cheap rack at used music stores and just trying the luck of the draw. I found some good music in the 50¢ CD drawer (no jewel cases) of our local second hand store. One of the CDs I bought because it had neat art, but no text, and it was great stuff. Others were crap, but hey, for 50¢, it's like a fun little lottery.
I'd forgotten that part of the music experience was in the search and discovery, and not just being spoon-fed the same stuff over and over.
I bought a turntable with USB mic out so I could digitize things from vinyl, and I have it all on my private Jellyfin server. Disk is cheap.
Maybe not necessarily for this crowd, but I've found that TikTok having the best recommendation system on the planet makes it actually really good for recommending music.
Finding good music is a hard problem, I realized that long ago as a LastFM user. LastFM showed that it was impossible to find another person with a music taste even remotely close to yours if you are a music lover with a reasonably eclectic taste. There just aren't nearly enough people in the world. So simple recommendation engines will always feel mediocre as they feed you music that people 'similar to you' (but there aren't any!) enjoyed.
Ultimately instead of relying on Spotify you need to seek out music yourself. A good analogy would be Tinder dating vs. reality or asking ChatGPT for cooking (hope you like your food bland and westernized!). You'll have best results if you seek out the niches, the nerds, the experts, the vibe synergies with your other interests and aesthetics. Look into the label that had an artist you really liked, learn more about the club where you had a really good night and how they curate, browse the files of the Soulseek user who had this niche song that you were searching for.
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[ 3.2 ms ] story [ 71.9 ms ] threadRadio France Rock - Very interesting non trivial non top-charts playlists
https://www.radiofrance.fr/fip/radio-rock
Progulus - Mostly Prog Rock
https://www.progulus.com/rprweb/#page-playing
The Musical Box Radio - Prog Rock - A bit repetitive but nice playlists
https://radioarg.com/tmb/
No need to just stick with the classics, though - modern prog has branched out into so many different areas, there really is something for anyone who loves music out there. And it's also not necessarily limited to rock-oriented guitar driven music, there's "progressive" music being made in pretty much every genre these days, and a huge back catalog spanning decades to explore.
A couple places online that I've found great recommendations are:
* the /r/progressiverock subreddit (a little bit repetitive among the "classics," but still lots of good discussion and recs)
* MOROW - Prog rock radio, I've found a lot of cool stuff listening to this station
* The Best Radio You Have Never Heard - a somewhat eclectic but mostly rock oriented podcast, every two weeks he releases a 1-2 hour show which has lots of great music. This has been going for almost 20 years, and has been consistently excellent. One of my favorite things about TBRYHNH is that the host often finds cool "deep cuts" - live performances, B-sides, etc that you might not have heard before. This show is where I first heard Close to the Edge, it pointed me towards the excellent set of Yes shows that was released as "Progeny" a few years ago, the amazing live version of Time Passages from the Rhymes in Rooms album, Grey Cell Green by Ned's Atomic Dustbin, and dozens of other great tracks. Can't recommend it enough.
http://radio.garden/
(I don't know why it doesn't support https, maybe so they can embed streams from a gazillion random websites?)
One advantage is that I can easily "tag" certain music, to explore in depth, but also to find new playlists so that the cycle continues and the music never stops (like a radio).
Speaking of prog, I'm currently enjoying this 80+ hours playlist :) [1].
[1] https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6U7YflqS9WyaJse5H7dyee
There's a lot of great radios out there.
One feature I made for myself is to allow to save the current playing artist & song in a list to check it later (you need to create an account though).
If you like FIP you may also like Alternative Radio (French as well) [1]
[0] https://www.radio-addict.com/
[1] https://www.alternativeradio.fr/
Something special about those tunes; endless hours of playing Quake 3 at the age of 14.
It was my first ever music collection I could afford to download on 28.8 dial-up.
Now its a die'ing niche.
https://www.modarchive.org
https://www.wab.com
https://mod.haxor.fi/Aegis_and_Legend/mod.multicolour
Other issues are picking some artist, clicking "radio" and getting the same playlist every single time, maybe shuffled. The same 10-30 songs. No variety.
Other issues are not understanding what I want. Say I listen to an 80s synth band. Pick "radio" and I'll get effectively "hits of the 80s" instead of "synth bands"
Similarly say I want female vocals, no way to filter on that.
This is one think I liked about the original streaming service, rhapsody. Each artist listed influencers and followers. That was a way more accurate way to find similar music than AI which AFAICT at best sorts by "most users that liked X also listen to Y"
Looking forward to try some of the recommendations here
I for one am happy to use Jellyfin and just stream from my NAS, but that doesn't give the serendipity that something like Rdio did.
I went through the opposite experience at college, I picked Damnation expecting it to sound like Deliverance.
You have to love bands that have records that you hate upon first impression then end up loving them after years.
Other great source of information are festival line-ups, especially if they book lesser-known bands.
It's a range from mellow to energetic. On the mellow side we have trip-hop/lo-fi. Clear enough. Plenty of radios for this. On the energetic side we have complex beats like Prodigy. Seen a couple of radios. But in the middle, feels like there's nothing. I'm looking for bands like Garbage. KT Tunstall is similar. The only way I could describe it, is that it's jazzy/bluesy rock from 90s and early 2000s with cool/elegant sounding beats/bass. Quite a lot of Russian rock was like this too in that period. If anyone can identify what I'm talking about, give any pointers, I would much appreciate.
Edit: Half that album is going on the playlist. I definitely remember hearing erase/rewind, but never knew where it was from.
To reciprocate, here's little known, imo one of the most underrated records by KT Tunstall: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWKj96zhCpw — the more you listen and hear detail, the more it grows on you.
Here's a little known Sting record of a famous song, that's my favorite rendition of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqG7b5yNbGk
Both of these are on a softer side, but I like heavier-sounding stuff in the same vibe too. (Like Paranoid by Garbage) Most of those tracks in my library are Russian however. :(
And after that, I remembered how much fun it was to go actively look for music. There's tons of live music on Internet Archive, and all those old 78s. (I found a bluegrass band there that just happens to be playing in my town this month. So I bought tickets.)
I've also been having fun going to the cheap rack at used music stores and just trying the luck of the draw. I found some good music in the 50¢ CD drawer (no jewel cases) of our local second hand store. One of the CDs I bought because it had neat art, but no text, and it was great stuff. Others were crap, but hey, for 50¢, it's like a fun little lottery.
I'd forgotten that part of the music experience was in the search and discovery, and not just being spoon-fed the same stuff over and over.
I bought a turntable with USB mic out so I could digitize things from vinyl, and I have it all on my private Jellyfin server. Disk is cheap.
Finding good music is a hard problem, I realized that long ago as a LastFM user. LastFM showed that it was impossible to find another person with a music taste even remotely close to yours if you are a music lover with a reasonably eclectic taste. There just aren't nearly enough people in the world. So simple recommendation engines will always feel mediocre as they feed you music that people 'similar to you' (but there aren't any!) enjoyed.
Ultimately instead of relying on Spotify you need to seek out music yourself. A good analogy would be Tinder dating vs. reality or asking ChatGPT for cooking (hope you like your food bland and westernized!). You'll have best results if you seek out the niches, the nerds, the experts, the vibe synergies with your other interests and aesthetics. Look into the label that had an artist you really liked, learn more about the club where you had a really good night and how they curate, browse the files of the Soulseek user who had this niche song that you were searching for.