Presumably this is intended to support the argument that the entire world should adopt expensive, government run nuclear power that even France struggles to build these days rather than cheap renewables which are rolling out at a pace faster than nuclear ever has in history, and at a cheaper price?
They may well be trying to create an impression of the cleanness of newly installed power generation, or installed in the coming years but using a celver metonomy, actually graphing all installed power generation and avoiding any text that might alert the reader to the difference between all and new.
France made their grid essentially Carbon free in 20 years using nuclear, and got it down 30 years ago.
Germany has also been struggling with its nuclear-free "Energiewende" for 20 years, and isn't half done with it. And that was the easy half.
Germany's "cheap" renewables-based electricity is the 2nd most expensive in the EU. France's "expensive" nuclear electricity is around half that price, slightly below the EU average price. And France was (and still is) using reliable/cheap nuclear electricity to subsidize other parts of the economy, whereas Germany has the rest of the economy subsidizing renewables.
Energy intensive industries are moving out of Germany, just recently the Supreme Court ruled the various budget tricks the government used to hide the true cost as unconstitutional. The very first attempts to actually reflect those costs in the real budget have sparked protests the likes of which Germany hasn't seen in some time.
Yeah, going swimmingly.
The EPR is a difficult design and at the start of its learning curve. The 14 new plants they are now going to build are apparently going with a simplified design.
> Germany's "cheap" renewables-based electricity is the 2nd most expensive in the EU. France's "expensive" nuclear electricity is around half that price, slightly below the EU average price.
The difference is mostly taxes.
In Germany's case, it's taxes they charge for every unit of electricity.
In France's case it's general taxation that they've been using to support the nuclear industry.
And that's for renewables mostly built at the start of the price decline and nuclear mostly built at the start of the price increases.
When you have to limit your argument to cherry picked countries and cherry picked timeframes and cherry picked metrics, it's a sign it a very poor argument.
> In Germany's case, it's taxes they charge for every unit of electricity.
That also turns out not to be the case.
> In France's case it's general general taxation that they've been using to support the nuclear industry.
That also turns out not to be the case. As I wrote before, in France cheap and reliable nuclear is used to subsidize other parts of the economy, not the other way around.
> And that's for renewables mostly built at the start of the price decline and nuclear mostly built at the start of the price increases.
What's that supposed to mean?
> When you have to limit your argument to cherry picked countries and cherry picked timeframes and cherry picked metrics, it's a sign it a very poor argument.
LOL.
What other two countries, one of which went all-in on nuclear, and the other that went all-out on nuclear are you going to pick to compare? Preferably sizable industrial countries that are otherwise roughly comparable.
Also, what other metrics other than: price, time to completion, and CO2 emissions would you prefer?
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[ 4.9 ms ] story [ 18.8 ms ] threadI don't find it convincing.
They may well be trying to create an impression of the cleanness of newly installed power generation, or installed in the coming years but using a celver metonomy, actually graphing all installed power generation and avoiding any text that might alert the reader to the difference between all and new.
Germany has also been struggling with its nuclear-free "Energiewende" for 20 years, and isn't half done with it. And that was the easy half.
Germany's "cheap" renewables-based electricity is the 2nd most expensive in the EU. France's "expensive" nuclear electricity is around half that price, slightly below the EU average price. And France was (and still is) using reliable/cheap nuclear electricity to subsidize other parts of the economy, whereas Germany has the rest of the economy subsidizing renewables.
Energy intensive industries are moving out of Germany, just recently the Supreme Court ruled the various budget tricks the government used to hide the true cost as unconstitutional. The very first attempts to actually reflect those costs in the real budget have sparked protests the likes of which Germany hasn't seen in some time.
Yeah, going swimmingly.
The EPR is a difficult design and at the start of its learning curve. The 14 new plants they are now going to build are apparently going with a simplified design.
The difference is mostly taxes.
In Germany's case, it's taxes they charge for every unit of electricity.
In France's case it's general taxation that they've been using to support the nuclear industry.
And that's for renewables mostly built at the start of the price decline and nuclear mostly built at the start of the price increases.
When you have to limit your argument to cherry picked countries and cherry picked timeframes and cherry picked metrics, it's a sign it a very poor argument.
That turns out not to be the case.
> In Germany's case, it's taxes they charge for every unit of electricity.
That also turns out not to be the case.
> In France's case it's general general taxation that they've been using to support the nuclear industry.
That also turns out not to be the case. As I wrote before, in France cheap and reliable nuclear is used to subsidize other parts of the economy, not the other way around.
> And that's for renewables mostly built at the start of the price decline and nuclear mostly built at the start of the price increases.
What's that supposed to mean?
> When you have to limit your argument to cherry picked countries and cherry picked timeframes and cherry picked metrics, it's a sign it a very poor argument.
LOL.
What other two countries, one of which went all-in on nuclear, and the other that went all-out on nuclear are you going to pick to compare? Preferably sizable industrial countries that are otherwise roughly comparable.
Also, what other metrics other than: price, time to completion, and CO2 emissions would you prefer?