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The vax doesn't prevent you from getting covid. Everyone I know that was vaxxed (including me) has gotten covid multiple times, some severely.

Now it's impossible to actually know if it does anything to help. The more likely scenario is a weakened virus and herd immunity.

This thread isn't about people getting COVID, it's about people dying from it.
You are wrong. The article states that there are more deaths when there are more infections.
I mean, obviously. Its still not the topic of the article, or the thread based on the article
The vaccine doesn’t give you 100% protection against the risk of long COVID either. A review published in 2022 put the rate of long COVID somewhere between 7.5% and 41% of non hospitalised cases [0]. If it falls anywhere within that range you really don’t want to be catching COVID multiple times.

[0] https://www.ssph-journal.org/articles/10.3389/phrs.2022.1604...

I think at this point most people have are beyond pandemic fatigue, so a lot of people are basically pretending that Covid is gone and not doing anything to protect themselves anymore.

I was extra careful from March 2020 to about April 2022 myself (rarely leaving the house except when it was low in summer, only meeting people outside, getting groceries delivered, wearing a mask when I did, etc).

But this winter I haven't bothered to do anything other than get the updated vaccine (and flu shot), keep an eye on CDC stats, and avoid events where people have recently had Covid, assuming they've announced it (happened a couple times).

I've gone to restaurants, bars, grocery stores, shops, meetups, the ocassional work event, etc. this winter. Stuff I wouldn't have dared do in 2020 and 2021. I probably shouldn't go as often, but I also don't want to just spend yet another winter trapped at home (already happens enough as is, hello incoming blizzard keeping me home this weekend).

That being said, if the numbers were double or triple what they are now, I'd probably be more hesitant, and go to less things.

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I genuinely think that this partisan lack of compassion is detrimental to the cause. I'm 'on your side' (well, you would consider me so I suppose. Of course, the reality has nuance) - But I would just prefer that you didn't speak, if it is just blinkered, antagonistic, lacking nuance and weakening the signal-noise ratio.

And I'm sad that you wish death or suffering upon anybody.

BMc2020: "I would have to be a complete nut to say Hitler was a great man."

chris-orgmenta: BMc2020 said "Hitler was a great man."

> If I was completely amoral I would say good, those stupid hick anti vaxxers fucked around and found out. But they always take someones grandma with them.

The grandma caveat does not undo the first sentence. The 'but' would need to be 'but I wouldn't have ill will towards someone'.

I guess it's like a game of Russian roulette, but with a 100-chamber gun (or more, a lot more?) and 1 bullet. Every time you go into a crowded room and survive without a sniffle, you think, "well, that went well, why all this concern about getting sick/dying from this virus?".

And the number of chambers depends on your personal risk from exposure to the virus, obviously. For some it's deadly, for others it's a weekend in bed..

Roughly a 221266 chamber gun fired once a week.

100 chamber gun would be killing over three million a week.

Hygiene Hypothesis. You need a low dose frequently enough to keep yourself ready. I haven't had it ever and I've lived entirely with minimum legal restrictions since the beginning.
> I haven't had it ever

How do you know this for certain?

Well, I haven't had the disease. I suspect I've encountered the virus because I've quarantined and taken care of people who were sick with the disease. But I tested every two weeks for two years and never tested positive.

Overall, you can never be certain of anything. There's just whether the evidence points one way. I believed this approach and took it. And it paid off. Like most things in my life.

> Well, I haven't had the disease.

You haven't experienced symptoms of the disease.

You realize that a lot of COVID cases are asymptomatic right? So the only way you'd know you haven't had it is to have continually done lab based tests all this time.

The article doesn't give any indication as whether they simply tested positive for Covid, or whether Covid was the primary cause of death.

It tells nothing about the age profile of the victims, or the vaccination rates among them which is a huge red flag.

It seem nothing more than an exhortation to Paxlovid and the vax.

Is Paxlovid still free.

Fun fact Florida Surgeon General calls for halt on the mRNA vaccines - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic...