No, it just means you'll need to find a refillable version of your beloved Bubblegum Ice flavor...
> The latest changes would also introduce powers to stop refillable vapes being sold in a flavour marketed at children and to require that they be produced in plainer, less appealing packaging.
...provided it doesn't have an attractive label with pretty colors.
> ...provided it doesn't have an attractive label with pretty colors.
...or flavors that someone arbitrarily decides are "marketed at children".
I used to occasionally enjoy a clove cigarette until US regulators decided that all flavored cigarettes, except menthol, were targeting children and banned them.
I also vaped nicotine for a year or two and loved the flavor variety, but regulators were making noise about taking the same approach there. I got tired of cleaning the goo off my car windshield so I kinda faded out of that out of laziness and have no idea where the laws went. At the time I was hearing talk of the flavor juices being sold separately from unflavored nicotine liquid.
Adults like things that taste good in the same way that they like cartoons and video games. Regulators all too often act like anything sweet and flavorful, bright and colorful, or just fun is inherently targeting children and it's incredibly frustrating.
Go to any fast food restaurant and watch them clean the grills, and imagine what that does to a person's gut.
I don't think anyone's arguing that vaping is better than not vaping in this thread, so your point is kind of falling on deaf ears. At some point you just have to accept that some people don't care about keeping their insides in good condition, or believe that the impact things have on their insides is not the same as they have on the environment, and let people do whatever they want with their own body.
Is that really a fair comparison though, considering the digestive system is far more robust and is supposed to be self-cleaning? Lungs can't even deal with dust kicked up by the weather as they'll fill with mucus and reduce your breathing capacity, meanwhile a stomach can process and eject even sand. I'd worry about things that challenge the delicate processes of the lungs before anything that challenges my digestive tract.
That goo is propylene glycol, the main liquid component of most vape juices. It's also used in theatrical fog machines, which are generally considered safe to fill a room with and then let the general public wander around in. It's also used as a carrier for inhalable medications, including asthma inhalers, so medical professionals are OK with someone in respiratory distress inhaling it.
Obviously neither of those use cases are directly comparable to someone who is heavily using a vape, especially a "cloud chaser" who is intentionally going after thick clouds, so there are certainly unknowns but there's not really any reason to expect it to be horrible.
There have of course been issues with specific additives found in certain vape products turning out to be irritating or harmful but that's a very different matter from implying the whole concept is harmful.
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Of course inhaling anything that isn't either clean air or a medically validated mix of oxygen and inert gases is not ideal, but it's also worth remembering that these are primarily an alternative to smoking either cigarettes or weed. If someone who would otherwise be lighting some rolled up dried out plants on fire and inhaling the combustion products is instead getting the active ingredients they crave delivered by inhaling an aerosolized goo that's generally considered safe to inhale I'd say that's a firm positive.
Too bad the refillable/pods are much, much worse. I use Veev Now disposables because the pod version (Veev One) is just so much worse - in taste but also generally. It's much more "wet" than the disposable, makes me unable to use it. And the liquid from the pod version comes out into your mouth sometimes, never happened with the disposable.
The disposable is not just the same thing, if you take it apart it's much more complicated than just liquid - there is a series of filters and there is no liquid storage, it's stored in some kind of sponge.
Good. These all usually have mixed plastic, glue, paint, metal, microchips, wiring, and a (usually low quality) lithium ion battery (which can in most cases actually be reused.)
Not to mention residue of whatever substance was being vaped, little cotton pads, etc, etc..
That is all to say that they’re a recycling and e-waste nightmare.
I'd much rather buy a vape that works for 1 day than one that will definitely get me hooked since it will work for a month. Or even buy a pack of cigarettes.
I vape daily and use disposables (yes, I am the baddie.)
You'd be surprised. A lot of people go out drinking, do not want to bum cigarettes off of strangers or smell bad but still want to use nicotine and drink. Single use vapes you throw away the next day are great for that. Women buy disposables a lot, according to the personnel at the vape shop I go to which specializes in disposables.
I think vaping even disposables is better than smoking cigarettes. I would ban cigarettes before banning disposables purely due to the litter from butts. It does not help that in the US public smoking areas do not exist so people often throw it on the ground.
Nicotine is not a nice habit but there are certainly lesser evils in the spectrum and disposables are a far lesser evil than cigarettes.
People who litter butts are just as comfortable littering disposables if the streets near me are anything to go by. Also, things like lithium are kinda rare - just chucking them on the ground is terrible for the environment overall, better to have not made them in the first place.
Nitpick: lithium isn’t rare, per se, but it is somewhat expensive (environment and capital, though capital costs have been going down) to extract/mine/distill.
Parent comment poster here: I also use disposable vapes at times, but in the last year I have made a concerted effort to dismantle and reuse/recycle what I can from them. (Yes I have a fire resistant box of many different types of lithium ion batteries taped up inside that i’ll get around to using in a project or recycling someday…)
Germany just raised its taxes on vegetable glycerin, the base ingredient in refillable vape juice, causing every vape store here to stop carrying it, essentially.
It meant you could no longer go to a trusted seller and instead must now go online to shady vape sites, often coming from China, to get the stuff.
Meanwhile, disposables are getting cheaper (though still very expensive).
Nobody is really sure of why the tax hike occurred, as cigs and disposables were untouched. It had the obvious effect of pretty much everyone here switching to disposables or cigarettes though.
Anecdotally, in a bar last night, a very pushy Russian lady told us we weren't allowed to vape while there. The bar allows and encourages smoking, we were in our own corner not being obnoxious with it, blowing under the table, quite infrequently. Meanwhile the whole bar is filled with cigarette smoke, almost to the point it was too much for us (and my friend smokes cigarettes himself). Her reason was that the vape juice gave her headaches, apparently. It's not like she had a headache and sought out the culprit. She just saw the thing and decided to get stern with us. She also got upset when we brought our glasses up to the bar. I guarantee you she doesn't get headaches from vape clouds that dissipate almost immediately. We obliged, of course, as we're not trying to be jerks. Still made us leave earlier than we would have liked.
There's some weird culture thing against vaping whereas cigarettes are almost encouraged here in Berlin (and to some extent, Germany). Not sure why the government here is pushing for the two worse alternatives to refillables but they're doing a good job of it.
> Anecdotally, in a bar last night, a very pushy Russian lady told us we weren't allowed to vape while there. The bar allows and encourages smoking
Huh that's weird. Germany is part of the EU and they have not allowed smoking in public indoor places for at least a decade.
If it's "allowed" in Berlin it must just not be policed somehow. Here in Barcelona it never really happens that you see anyone smoking or vaping in a bar. They always go outside to do it (which causes a lot of noise obviously).
Ireland (in the EU) are likely to do the same and restrict the use of disposables.It's taking a while to legislate for however. The restrictions are likely to be environment & anti litter focused rather than health related and have industry lobbyists to contend with.
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[ 2.7 ms ] story [ 57.7 ms ] threadHow does this work? So I have to talk to a doctor to get my Bubblegum Ice disposable?
> The latest changes would also introduce powers to stop refillable vapes being sold in a flavour marketed at children and to require that they be produced in plainer, less appealing packaging.
...provided it doesn't have an attractive label with pretty colors.
...or flavors that someone arbitrarily decides are "marketed at children".
I used to occasionally enjoy a clove cigarette until US regulators decided that all flavored cigarettes, except menthol, were targeting children and banned them.
I also vaped nicotine for a year or two and loved the flavor variety, but regulators were making noise about taking the same approach there. I got tired of cleaning the goo off my car windshield so I kinda faded out of that out of laziness and have no idea where the laws went. At the time I was hearing talk of the flavor juices being sold separately from unflavored nicotine liquid.
Adults like things that taste good in the same way that they like cartoons and video games. Regulators all too often act like anything sweet and flavorful, bright and colorful, or just fun is inherently targeting children and it's incredibly frustrating.
Imagine what that does a person's lungs
I don't think anyone's arguing that vaping is better than not vaping in this thread, so your point is kind of falling on deaf ears. At some point you just have to accept that some people don't care about keeping their insides in good condition, or believe that the impact things have on their insides is not the same as they have on the environment, and let people do whatever they want with their own body.
It's not supposed to be a literal like-for-like comparison, more an illustration that people knowingly put things inside themselves that do them harm.
That goo is propylene glycol, the main liquid component of most vape juices. It's also used in theatrical fog machines, which are generally considered safe to fill a room with and then let the general public wander around in. It's also used as a carrier for inhalable medications, including asthma inhalers, so medical professionals are OK with someone in respiratory distress inhaling it.
Obviously neither of those use cases are directly comparable to someone who is heavily using a vape, especially a "cloud chaser" who is intentionally going after thick clouds, so there are certainly unknowns but there's not really any reason to expect it to be horrible.
There have of course been issues with specific additives found in certain vape products turning out to be irritating or harmful but that's a very different matter from implying the whole concept is harmful.
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Of course inhaling anything that isn't either clean air or a medically validated mix of oxygen and inert gases is not ideal, but it's also worth remembering that these are primarily an alternative to smoking either cigarettes or weed. If someone who would otherwise be lighting some rolled up dried out plants on fire and inhaling the combustion products is instead getting the active ingredients they crave delivered by inhaling an aerosolized goo that's generally considered safe to inhale I'd say that's a firm positive.
The disposable is not just the same thing, if you take it apart it's much more complicated than just liquid - there is a series of filters and there is no liquid storage, it's stored in some kind of sponge.
I'd much rather buy a vape that works for 1 day than one that will definitely get me hooked since it will work for a month. Or even buy a pack of cigarettes.
Fortunately I've been able to avoid either.
You'd be surprised. A lot of people go out drinking, do not want to bum cigarettes off of strangers or smell bad but still want to use nicotine and drink. Single use vapes you throw away the next day are great for that. Women buy disposables a lot, according to the personnel at the vape shop I go to which specializes in disposables.
I think vaping even disposables is better than smoking cigarettes. I would ban cigarettes before banning disposables purely due to the litter from butts. It does not help that in the US public smoking areas do not exist so people often throw it on the ground.
Nicotine is not a nice habit but there are certainly lesser evils in the spectrum and disposables are a far lesser evil than cigarettes.
I would imagine their wording of whatever they put in place will be broad enough to cover just anything disposable that produces vapour
It meant you could no longer go to a trusted seller and instead must now go online to shady vape sites, often coming from China, to get the stuff.
Meanwhile, disposables are getting cheaper (though still very expensive).
Nobody is really sure of why the tax hike occurred, as cigs and disposables were untouched. It had the obvious effect of pretty much everyone here switching to disposables or cigarettes though.
Anecdotally, in a bar last night, a very pushy Russian lady told us we weren't allowed to vape while there. The bar allows and encourages smoking, we were in our own corner not being obnoxious with it, blowing under the table, quite infrequently. Meanwhile the whole bar is filled with cigarette smoke, almost to the point it was too much for us (and my friend smokes cigarettes himself). Her reason was that the vape juice gave her headaches, apparently. It's not like she had a headache and sought out the culprit. She just saw the thing and decided to get stern with us. She also got upset when we brought our glasses up to the bar. I guarantee you she doesn't get headaches from vape clouds that dissipate almost immediately. We obliged, of course, as we're not trying to be jerks. Still made us leave earlier than we would have liked.
There's some weird culture thing against vaping whereas cigarettes are almost encouraged here in Berlin (and to some extent, Germany). Not sure why the government here is pushing for the two worse alternatives to refillables but they're doing a good job of it.
Huh that's weird. Germany is part of the EU and they have not allowed smoking in public indoor places for at least a decade.
If it's "allowed" in Berlin it must just not be policed somehow. Here in Barcelona it never really happens that you see anyone smoking or vaping in a bar. They always go outside to do it (which causes a lot of noise obviously).
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