The former, and in general any public competition that encourages too much self-destruction. I mean, a dyed in the wool libertarian might be for it, but even they might have qualms.
Maybe it's a deliberate reductio ad absurdum of the Olympics?
Not only is Thiel a dyed in the wool libertarian, but he also owns the dye factory and patents.
I think it's probably just his version of yanking the chain, but if anybody wants to submit to the experiment I'm sure he'll be happy to sit back and watch.
>> The venture — aimed at aiding research into nutritional supplements and biohacks that push the boundaries of human performance
>> He said that the events are open to any athletes — current and former professionals and amateurs — and that allowing them to enhance their performance with substances will enable researchers to get a better idea of what technologies are out there that can boost longevity and “healthy aging.”
>> He said that the data would be “very useful to determining compounds and therapies to extending human life.”
the point of disallowing it is to level the playing field so the athletic competition becomes a test of human effort and will.
Allowing it has the exact opposite effect, the athlete herself is worthless and it becomes a competition of who has the better drug cocktail or is more willing to sacrifice their health. There's nothing arbitrary about this, it destroys the very essence of what athleticism is about. It's as if we allowed chess engines at chess tournaments.
The actual point of this has of course nothing to do with sports:
"He said that the data would be “very useful to determining compounds and therapies to extending human life.”"
It's yet another typical Thiel supervillain-esque attempt to turn himself into Leto II.
Physical aspects still very much play a role in the competition regardless of any drugs that help them. You can make a race Honda and a race Lamborghini and the Honda will still have a lot of catching up to do even if you put better parts on it. The starting point matters, when building race cars and when two people compete. All the steroids in the world won’t help someone who’s already at a disadvantage against a more fit and/or skilled opponent, who’s also on steroids.
I'm sure that's the desired intention, but the reality is that many elite level athletes are probably illegally doping (we don't test enough), most assuredly taking all legal enhancements (drugs or not), and the line between illegal and legal enhancements is arbitrary and dynamic.
> the athlete herself is worthless and it becomes a competition of who has the better drug cocktail or is more willing to sacrifice their health.
Everyone would be bigger, faster, stronger and the best athletes would come out on top. There’s an argument to be made that it’s a more level playing field than what you have now where most winners are using PED’s and you’re at a disadvantage and unlikely to win if you don’t.
It's not human effort and will. Some people have genetics that give them an advantage. The idea that the only difference between the 1st and 2nd place is effort is so naive it's childish.
Or do you think that in swimming, it's all the 6'5 guys with broad shoulders that have all the effort and will, but in the marathon it's all the 70kg guys that have the effort and will?
I like the idea. Current professional sports are a game of cat and mouse between team doctors and the doping agencies anyways so this should eliminate some of that shadow play.
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[ 3.5 ms ] story [ 94.5 ms ] threadOh, and money. It's always money.
On the former, some people just want to see how far people can take it with PEDs. The Economist has advocated for this for years.
Maybe it's a deliberate reductio ad absurdum of the Olympics?
I think it's probably just his version of yanking the chain, but if anybody wants to submit to the experiment I'm sure he'll be happy to sit back and watch.
If you wanted to make a semi sensible comparison it's similar to the Nazis, as they subjected their prisioners to a vast array of physical extremes.
Mind you the Olympics on Steroids would be voluntary so it's not quite to same, sans the absurdity.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_human_experimentation
I guess I'm having trouble differentiating this from e.g. the NFL.
It's about powerful owners exerting pressure on performers at the expense of their health.
How many times have we heard athletes deny they were using PEDs, only for them to eventually be caught.
>> The venture — aimed at aiding research into nutritional supplements and biohacks that push the boundaries of human performance
>> He said that the events are open to any athletes — current and former professionals and amateurs — and that allowing them to enhance their performance with substances will enable researchers to get a better idea of what technologies are out there that can boost longevity and “healthy aging.”
>> He said that the data would be “very useful to determining compounds and therapies to extending human life.”
Allowing it has the exact opposite effect, the athlete herself is worthless and it becomes a competition of who has the better drug cocktail or is more willing to sacrifice their health. There's nothing arbitrary about this, it destroys the very essence of what athleticism is about. It's as if we allowed chess engines at chess tournaments.
The actual point of this has of course nothing to do with sports:
"He said that the data would be “very useful to determining compounds and therapies to extending human life.”"
It's yet another typical Thiel supervillain-esque attempt to turn himself into Leto II.
Scores of doped up athletes should not compare to regular athletes.
Everyone would be bigger, faster, stronger and the best athletes would come out on top. There’s an argument to be made that it’s a more level playing field than what you have now where most winners are using PED’s and you’re at a disadvantage and unlikely to win if you don’t.
Or do you think that in swimming, it's all the 6'5 guys with broad shoulders that have all the effort and will, but in the marathon it's all the 70kg guys that have the effort and will?
https://youtu.be/jAdG-iTilWU