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Related: - Microsoft Fast Design: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24083260 - 204 comments (Aug 2020)
The first thing I did when I opened the page was click on "Radio 1" and "Radio 2" lights up.
The most embarrassing bugs always show up right after shipping.
A QA engineer walks into a bar and orders a beer. They order 2 beers. They order 0 beers. They order -1 beers. They order a lizard. They order a NULLPTR. They try to leave without paying. Satisfied, they declare the bar ready for business.

The first customer comes in an orders a beer. They finish their drink, and then ask where the bathroom is. The bar explodes.

This shipped 4 years ago. What's the excuse now?
You did not enable automatic updates. /s
Clicking it again actually does the intended behavior which made me laugh. "You're just holding the iPhone wrong"
Sounds about right for "industry standard web components".
Also clicking on the checkbox label does not check or uncheck it. Me thinks they jumped the gun on this
ROFL. I'm sorry but that's such a Microsoft thing to do.
Only after enabling JS was I able to get anything else than a blank page and read the following:

> FAST web components are built on the core technologies of the web to work in any scenario.

Did you scan your computer for malware ? Have you applied all the updates ? /s

This is Microsoft's response to bug reports.

Clicking "Radio 1" selects Radio 2…

… the checkbox label is completely broken (clicking it does nothing at all)…

what browser? works fine in Chrome
And the slider is unusable on mobile (Safari).

First impressions are this is buggy and not well tested.

In Microsoft's language, the tested versions, are called service packs. /s
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I wish. I'm kind of a MS hater and rather they didn't succeed but between Github, VSCode, TypeScript, ChatGPT they're killing it.
Anything they acquire and leave alone seems to do well (like those projects you list) everything else is almost comically bad. Made worse by the absolutely atrocious support that they've outsourced to Tata Consultancy.
Where did they acquire VScode from?
They "acquired" Erich Gamma and let him build Visual Studio Code with his team in Switzerland.
* TypeScript is eating JS

* StackOverflow ranked VSCode is as #1 popular IDE.

* And #2 is Visual Studio.

* GitHub maintains absolute dominance.

* Azure ended Q4 as the fastest growing cloud

* ChatGPT owns AI

Microsoft is clearly going nowhere /s

How is this relevant here?

That radio button is broken.

Minor nuance, the radio button itself seems to work. My guess is what's happening is they're only initializing the UI state when you first interact with it, which blows away the radio button state.

Normally radio buttons can't start fully uninitialized like that, so I assume that's the real bug.

"Radio button broken" =/= "Microsoft broken"
I really enjoy using GitHub, TypeScript, and VS Code. These are some my most favorite tools.

But Azure DevOps and Microsoft Teams make me think that the Microsoft engineers working on these products absolutely don't care and they probably don't need to care, and the companies using these products also don't care.

Popularity and dominance are criteria for success. Their success, but not necessarily your success. If the product is by Microsoft you have to look more than twice if it's a good product or if it's close to self-sabotage when you use it.

> Microsoft's Broken

I wish I could make a clever break-fast pun here.

> While we are eagerly awaiting React to fully support custom elements...

You and me both :/

How many times are we going to reinvent bootstrap?
As many times as it's needed!!!
What's the similarity to bootstrap?

That it's a design system?

Universal web widget set and layout jawn.
Microsoft also has Fluent Design. Similar, different team.
Until morale improves...
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There are already many opensource ui components / libraries like bootstrap, tailwind, chakra, material, semanticui, etc, What's fast offering that other don't?
>What's fast offering that other don't?

When you go to the page:

- first line: "Adaptive..."

- second line: "The adaptive..."

- third line: "...adapt..."

Then the next block:

- "flexible and adaptable"

>FAST provides an innovative theming system called Adaptive UI, which builds design system properties that designers use every day directly into every component.

Then the next block is an example where you can change neutral color, accent color, saturation, border radius, stroke width and density of all components in a frame on the fly.

>like bootstrap, tailwind, chakra, material, semanticui,

In order to adapt all components you have to

- in bootstrap edit SCSS variables

- in tailwind edit tailwind.config.js and probably use CSS variables for the utility classes you use

- in chakra override global CSS styles in the style object

- in material v3 define your own baseline and dynamic color schemes

- in semantic UI override CSS in your theme.config.

But it seems only tailwind with CSS variables allows to change styles on-the-fly, i.e. more than just toggle between light and dark mode.

*edit:* formatting

We've been using this for 3 years and it works well, feels like not much progress has been made after layoffs though.
Nice to see the loading bar I'll be staring at in the future. What are they trying to solve with this?