Also, other people should have an account associated with the same country as your account. Discovered this the hard way when my parents no longer could renew their Google Photo storage because of the sanctions.
One anecdote, I live in one of the European countries that put sanctions onto yours, and I cannot use many Google of services either.
This European country simply doesn't exist in many of the Google forms, despite being on the "good side" and being no different than Finland or Germany.
You pay for cloud storage so you don’t have to think about these things. If you’re saying that one should pay for cloud storage and still worry about these things, then you’re trading money for a service which provides nothing, or at least you’re paying for a service which provides no real utility. You’re trading money for nothing. If anyone thinks that’s a normal transaction then I don’t know how to respond to that.
What I'm saying is that you think you paid for something different than what you actually pay for if you look in the actual contract.
Check by yourself : whatever your provider is, without looking, can you say what guarantee they give you that your file won't be deleted randomly ? Do you think it's stronger than "best effort but no % written" ? Then go check what it actually says.
I'm not saying I think it's a good state of affairs, I'm european and part of the crowd that cheered when ISP got smacked for abusing "unlimited" in their ads while the contract said different.
But parent's comment I'm answering too can at best be seen as a warning that specifically google storage can make your files disapear in some rare cases, if that matters to you enough then you need to know the same is true for all the big others.
That might be selection bias, the news posted here are only newsworthy because it's Google. Anyhow, I trust smaller shops a bit more than big corps (no matter the product or service being purchased), but it's subjective. In regards to tech, I trust myself first. In the same way that a Chef might not prefer going to any common restaurant, sure.
I would disagree with you, my personnal anecdotal data showing google to be more reliable at it than others. In the lack of hard properly collected data, this give all of them the same probability. I'm sure someone out there thought "let's use microsoft skydrive because google is unreliable".
The wording around the Gemini Ultra enable scares me: "Upgrade your Google One plan". I have a One family plan, does this upgrade remove the family part? What happens if I don't decide to keep Gemini and want to go back to my current plan, can I even do that? Google has kind of botched these sorts of upgrades in the past so I'm pretty reluctant to give it a try here.
Finally some actual relevant criticism in this thread. You’re spot on. Google is deep into “shipping the org chart”. As such, I would be worried too that different products conflict with each other.
It’s funny that Google can design and operationalize the most incredible engineering marvels, but can’t explain their products (and in particular how they interact with each other).
How is this shipping an org chart? It's combining products built by different parts of the company into a single subscription which seems like the opposite.
Yes, that’s what they’re telling you. However, in reality there is a lot of friction and/or confusion about how different products interact. I’m not saying this particular combination works one way or another, only that it’s extremely hard to understand the consumer product offerings compared to Amazon, Apple and arguably even Microsoft. It’s well known that Google has a marketing problem – people don’t even know what they offer.
The interface that sits on top and is supposed to give you some overview and coherence is bolted on with duct tape after-the-fact. Now, it’s possible this has changed since I worked there but I highly doubt that it’s all ironed out.
"We're using your personal conversations for training data. Thanks."
This is acceptable. Consumers click without reading, and don't have any strong organizational ability to punish Google for this.
"We're training our AI on the questions of your idiot employees who are inevitably going to submit user PII CSVs or PDFs or even just outright draft emails to suppliers with our tool. Thanks."
You don't want to pick this kind of fight with a corporation, and as a corporation, you don't want this to happen to you.
Workspace users always get features after free consumer accounts so that organization admins have time to evaluate them, update training materials, etc.
This is a feature, not a bug.
And of course there are lots of features that Workspace accounts get, that free accounts don't get at all. Like the timeline view in Sheets.
I get making new features an opt-in thing for workspace, but from what I can tell I can't even enable it for my workspace domain. I'm not able to enable it for myself to evaluate it and update training materials.
You evaluate features and updating training materials from what is documented here and in online help, together with any testing you want to do using free consumer accounts which you can obviously create at any time.
I've been a Worspace/Apps admin for over a decade; I'm well aware of how this works.
What I'm saying is, from what I can see in the admin portal, there's no place for me to go today to enable Gemini for my users. Things are routinely weeks or months delayed before they even become available to enable for Workspace tenants, and often times features just never get offered.
But then you know that's normal? Things aren't being "delayed" weeks, they're following the rollout calendar designed to give admins time to prepare. Things aren't meant to be enabled in advance.
And like I said, there's plenty of stuff that's only available in paid Workspace. A lot of business features live there. (While things that are meant only for personal consumers aren't there.)
I agree its normal, in that its the normal process that Workspace usually gets pretty delayed. I don't agree its good. And I don't think its actually helping admins get prepared, as we're not actually able to turn it on for test OUs for a while.
I'd rather have it defaulted to off with the ability to turn it on for selected OUs, so I can trial it out and create my own documentation around it. But instead, I have to wait often weeks or months for features to become available to even turn on for my tenant. Users are like "hey I heard this awesome feature, can you turn it on?" Nope!
Being stuck in a free GSuite legacy account is even worse. Migrating to a regular Google account seems impossible (moving everything, losing purchases, changing my YouTubeTV and Google Fi subscriptions) and I get every feature later, if at all (can't use YouTubeTV Family Sharing, for example.) But I'm stuck for the most part! By the time it's available for me, I'll have forgotten about Gemini altogether.
Hopefully this isn’t the case for others, but after paying to upgrade my Google One subscription, I landed at a 404 at https://gemini.google.com/u/2/ (because my /u/0/ is one of my Google Workspace accounts). Curious to try it when it works.
It’s interesting to note that it’s listed as applying to Gmail, Docs, etc., so this sounds like an account-wide update to Advanced.
Landed at a 404 as well, but my /u/0/ is not a Google Workspace accounts. I'm in EU at the moment but with a US billing address. While the upgrade succeeded, I'm only seeing a 404 after
ChatGPT Plus, the service everyone will be comparing this to, currently costs $20/mo. At $22/mo, can Gemini Ultra justify the price difference? There are many conflicting reports on the ebbs and flows of ChatGPT's quality, are there any good comparisons on how the two compare in practice?
Google's marketing materials said it's slightly better than GPT-4 across benchmarks. I'll be checking leaderboards on Huggingface over the next few days for independent confirmation.
FYI for any Googlers - On the "Sorry, Gemini advanced isn't available for you" page, clicking "Learn More" gives you a (presumably internal) SSO sign-on (links to https://support.corp.google.com/googleone?ai_premium)
Sounds like you can theoretically do the old Xbox game pass trick of loading up Gold and then upgrading.
£25 for an annual standard plan, and then upgrade to Ultra. First 2 months free, so potentially 14 months for £25 (then £18.99 a month after). No idea if this works in practice!
"If you upgrade, your plan will be active immediately, and the remaining time on your current plan will be credited towards your new plan."
Thanks for the tip but it doesn't seem to work that way. It looks like they convert your subscription value into however many days it could get at this new pricing.
For instance I just did the annual upgrade for my plan (29.99€/y) and they credit me 40 additional days if I upgraded the plan (21.99€/m).
On the https://one.google.com/about/plans page they named the subscription AI Premium. It's the same as Premium, but you get access to Gemini Advanced too. However I'm not sure where you can use it at the moment. Maybe just Bard?
Seems to be a lot of dead-ends (I only have a GSuite account via work, and cannot view the page without a Google account, and it doesn't seem to work with a GSuite account).
Aha, I wonder why they chose to advertise it in such an obstructive way. It seems like they're not even saying what it is, let alone why one might want to use it.
Given the URL included one.google.com , I assume it's for individuals only?
Wow, two announcements by Google on HN on the same day both look like a scam. localllm just being a downloader and wrapper for llama.cpp, and this one giving many users a 404 after subscription. I think Google is officially dead.
Title may be (unintentionally) misleading if, post-subscription, it consistently 404s for everyone!
I'll be interested to see some independent comparisons against OpenAI's models, but like everything AI-related Google has done recently, it feels like it's all a bit too little too late - and this is the latest bungled product launch..
In the UK, it states:
> £18.99/month
Which is about 20% more than I currently pay to OpenAI. Is Google's model 20% better?
> Which is about 20% more than I currently pay to OpenAI.
ChatGPT Plus (which I assume is what they're competing with) is the same price - £18.99.
Actually not a bad deal considering I'm already paying for Google One (for gdrive storage), so I can just combine the two services for the same price as ChatGPT.
The best way to get direct access to Google AI
All the capabilities that you know and love are still here, and will keep getting better in the Gemini era"
Edit: Side note - Hallucinations pretty much what you would expect, the same as ChatGPT4. Immediately tried to tell me to import non existent components from an npm library. That test was without prefixing with 'turn creativity to zero [blah blah]', so will test further with proper prompts. Gemini doesn't seem to allow for custom instructions, so I suppose I will have to add them into an Autohotkey script.
```
Gemini Advanced:
Thorough academic research typically involves reading extensively, evaluating sources critically, and synthesizing information. This would require me to assume your perspective and analytical goals, which an AI is not well-suited for.
```
As far as I understand, Bard/Gemini Advanced (the product), is backed by Gemini Ultra (the model). Gemini comes in Ultra/Pro/Nano, and I don't think Bard/Gemini the web product is using Nano at all as that's designed for on-device inference.
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[ 4.7 ms ] story [ 620 ms ] threadKeep in mind your files may be accidentally deleted if Google doesn't cancel this product first [1][2].
[1] https://www.theregister.com/2023/11/27/google_drive_files_di...
[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38431743
This European country simply doesn't exist in many of the Google forms, despite being on the "good side" and being no different than Finland or Germany.
You pay for cloud storage so you don’t have to think about these things. If you’re saying that one should pay for cloud storage and still worry about these things, then you’re trading money for a service which provides nothing, or at least you’re paying for a service which provides no real utility. You’re trading money for nothing. If anyone thinks that’s a normal transaction then I don’t know how to respond to that.
Check by yourself : whatever your provider is, without looking, can you say what guarantee they give you that your file won't be deleted randomly ? Do you think it's stronger than "best effort but no % written" ? Then go check what it actually says.
I'm not saying I think it's a good state of affairs, I'm european and part of the crowd that cheered when ISP got smacked for abusing "unlimited" in their ads while the contract said different.
But parent's comment I'm answering too can at best be seen as a warning that specifically google storage can make your files disapear in some rare cases, if that matters to you enough then you need to know the same is true for all the big others.
It’s funny that Google can design and operationalize the most incredible engineering marvels, but can’t explain their products (and in particular how they interact with each other).
The interface that sits on top and is supposed to give you some overview and coherence is bolted on with duct tape after-the-fact. Now, it’s possible this has changed since I worked there but I highly doubt that it’s all ironed out.
"Gemini Advanced is not yet available in some countries, for work accounts, or for users under a certain age."
Learn more: https://login.corp.google.com/request?s=support.corp.google....
This is acceptable. Consumers click without reading, and don't have any strong organizational ability to punish Google for this.
"We're training our AI on the questions of your idiot employees who are inevitably going to submit user PII CSVs or PDFs or even just outright draft emails to suppliers with our tool. Thanks."
You don't want to pick this kind of fight with a corporation, and as a corporation, you don't want this to happen to you.
This is a feature, not a bug.
And of course there are lots of features that Workspace accounts get, that free accounts don't get at all. Like the timeline view in Sheets.
https://workspaceupdates.googleblog.com/
You evaluate features and updating training materials from what is documented here and in online help, together with any testing you want to do using free consumer accounts which you can obviously create at any time.
What I'm saying is, from what I can see in the admin portal, there's no place for me to go today to enable Gemini for my users. Things are routinely weeks or months delayed before they even become available to enable for Workspace tenants, and often times features just never get offered.
And like I said, there's plenty of stuff that's only available in paid Workspace. A lot of business features live there. (While things that are meant only for personal consumers aren't there.)
I'd rather have it defaulted to off with the ability to turn it on for selected OUs, so I can trial it out and create my own documentation around it. But instead, I have to wait often weeks or months for features to become available to even turn on for my tenant. Users are like "hey I heard this awesome feature, can you turn it on?" Nope!
It’s interesting to note that it’s listed as applying to Gmail, Docs, etc., so this sounds like an account-wide update to Advanced.
edit: doesn't seem to work, it just redirects to /u/2 anyway
Edit: I have access to the model after subscribing and going to Bard
$19.99 $0 for 2 months, $19.99/month after
Edit: no it's black history month... Kinda strange
https://i.ibb.co/wRk36Tq/Screenshot-20240208-080725.png
https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/2/7/14503144/white-histo...
>On the "Sorry, Gemini advanced isn't available for you" page, clicking "Learn More" gives you
Sounds like you can theoretically do the old Xbox game pass trick of loading up Gold and then upgrading.
£25 for an annual standard plan, and then upgrade to Ultra. First 2 months free, so potentially 14 months for £25 (then £18.99 a month after). No idea if this works in practice!
"If you upgrade, your plan will be active immediately, and the remaining time on your current plan will be credited towards your new plan."
For instance I just did the annual upgrade for my plan (29.99€/y) and they credit me 40 additional days if I upgraded the plan (21.99€/m).
What _is_ Gemini Ultra?
This Ultra is interesting in a way that we will know if Google's tech is more like Siri or more like ChatGPT.
Given the URL included one.google.com , I assume it's for individuals only?
Reminds me of this which I wrote 5-6 years ago... seemingly still true https://medium.com/@buro9/one-account-all-of-google-4d292906... , though since then I've almost completely de-Googled (due to Google being Google).
I'll be interested to see some independent comparisons against OpenAI's models, but like everything AI-related Google has done recently, it feels like it's all a bit too little too late - and this is the latest bungled product launch..
In the UK, it states:
> £18.99/month
Which is about 20% more than I currently pay to OpenAI. Is Google's model 20% better?
ChatGPT Plus (which I assume is what they're competing with) is the same price - £18.99.
Actually not a bad deal considering I'm already paying for Google One (for gdrive storage), so I can just combine the two services for the same price as ChatGPT.
Odd - they're billing me $20 in USD, which works out at about £15 something. I'm using a card with no currency conversion mark-up.
Are you paying as a business maybe? Or perhaps you're just lucky and they missed you haha
When I went to https://bard.google.com it shows Bard Advanced. Is Bard advanced same as Gemini Ultra?
"Bard is now Gemini
The best way to get direct access to Google AI All the capabilities that you know and love are still here, and will keep getting better in the Gemini era"
So I suppose this is the official launch.
(https://gemini.google.com/app 404'd until I connected my workspace account in bard extensions).
Edit: Side note - Hallucinations pretty much what you would expect, the same as ChatGPT4. Immediately tried to tell me to import non existent components from an npm library. That test was without prefixing with 'turn creativity to zero [blah blah]', so will test further with proper prompts. Gemini doesn't seem to allow for custom instructions, so I suppose I will have to add them into an Autohotkey script.
``` Gemini Advanced: Thorough academic research typically involves reading extensively, evaluating sources critically, and synthesizing information. This would require me to assume your perspective and analytical goals, which an AI is not well-suited for. ```