Ask HN: Advice for a new father?

45 points by CoreSet ↗ HN
I've long turned to HN for career and technological advice - but now I face a different hurdle.

I'm a young father - my first. Is there anything the fathers of HN would tell a new father (or parent)?

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Get ready to get your sleeping/relaxation/stress/time management game to the new level.
Get some term life insurance (assuming you are not wealthy enough to self-insure).
Read "Father forgets" by W. Livingston Larned.

If it's a girl, read Strong Fathers - Strong Daughters. If it's a boy, read Strong Mothers - Strong Sons. (even if you aren't the mother, it's a useful book).

Outsource as much as you can afford, even if its just help around the house.
Echo this. We paid a lot for 24/7 postpartum nannies, au pairs, and other kinds of nannies. Good quality liquid formula so my wife could catch up on sleep. Various appliances, strollers, car seats, toys, etc. There is some narrative out there that throwing money at the problems is cheating, missing out on bonding time, not as good for the child, etc. It's pretty much all lies, in my opinion to make some people feel better about not being able to afford these things. Years later, we have healthy young children and have loving relationships with them. But almost equally as important, my wife and I had lots of time to relax, recharge, and take care of our physical and mental health.

I worked these obnoxious high pressure tech jobs for many years, and now is when I get to reap the benefits.

Sleep when the baby sleeps. Eat when the baby eats. Do the dishes when the baby does dishes.

More realistically:

1. If you're raising the baby with a spouse, communication is going to be wildly important. Be more explicit than you think you need to be about things - you're both going to be tired, and it's all too easy to make an uncharitable assumption.

2. One thing that worked for us, re: night-time, was shifts. My wife was responsible for the baby waking up until ~4am, and then I was responsible for her waking up after that - meaning, whoever's shift it was, was responsible for getting up, feeding the baby if she needed to be fed, and getting her soothed back to sleep. It ensured that while we didn't actually get eight straight hours, there was a solid six-ish hour period during which one of us at least didn't have to get out of bed.

Your mileage may vary on that; if y'all are bottle-feeding, then it'll be much easier. If not, then your spouse is probably not going to get as much of a break.

3. Lean hard on any family members or friends who are willing to help, but make sure you tell them what you need. If what you need is prepared meals dropped off, and then for them to fuck off and leave the three of you alone, tell them that. If you need them to watch the baby for two hours in the afternoon while you nap (or read, or just go for a walk to be alone), make sure they know that's what you need.

4. I got a baby bjorn and loved it; wearing a baby means she's comfortable, and you're comfortable, and your hands are free. My wife preferred a different style, though.

5. This is one of the top five most difficult things your spouse and you will go through. Seriously, accept that and understand that you will get mad at your spouse, your spouse will get mad at you, you'll both get mad at the baby, your baby will be mad at you. It's going to be wildly stressful. You'll make it through it, though - as long as you remember point 1, communicate, and understand that it gets better, easier, and more fun.

edit: I'm also in a Slack for dads, most of whom are also in tech - let me know if you'd like an invite.

I’m in the same situation as OP and I believe this advice will be super helpful and echoes other things my coworkers have said. Thank you!
Having done both a shared shift nighttime schedule, and an alternating days nighttime schedule, I strongly recommend doing alternating days. Getting decent sleep every other day is a huge improvement over constant deprivation.
Agreed. Switching to formula made things significantly easier.

When a baby is first born there may be a "let's suffer together" mentality. Get that out of your head and focus on maximizing your collective energy.

>let me know if you'd like an invite. I'd like one :) Tried googling you as per profile to msg, but most of your social profiles are under verification before communication, so I'd ask here too, how could you send me an invite?
Many will tell you to enjoy each moment because they grow up so fast. It's true, and it's alright.

The only thing you owe to your future self is the knowledge that you have been fully present while your kid grows up. That, and as many pics and videos your NAS and backup can hold.

Don’t be the dad that loses the first year of baby photos due to poor backup practices :|
Lightroom is $10/m for 1TB and easy enough for anyone to use.
A lot of what makes a kid turn into a "good" adult are well outside of your control. The best advice is about how to make parenting easier and more enjoyable for you in the long run. The more fun you have parenting, the more parenting you will end up doing.

Any good habit you start early will pay off dividends later. Anything you let slide will agonize you for years and years.

Most advice you find online is useless. "Mommy-bloggers" have SEO spammed the internet with waste. It's either some form of extreme child micromanagement, or rituals designed for people with saint-like patience or time on their hands. Get your advice from real people - pediatricians, parents, friends, etc.

>Most advice you find online is useless. "Mommy-bloggers" have SEO spammed the internet with waste. It's either some form of extreme child micromanagement, or rituals designed for people with saint-like patience or time on their hands. Get your advice from real people - pediatricians, parents, friends, etc.

I wonder if someone else can chime in here, but I've found that ChatGPT's answers should be on-par with these mom-fluencers.

First few months are tough, but it gets better. Look out for you and your partner's mental and physical health.

Keep newborns to a schedule.

Don't worry too much, nothing is that difficult, it's just a lot of work, done on interrupted sleep.

Your child is only a newborn once, try to cherish the time when you have opportunity.

Welcome to the club. :)

Try to enjoy it, even when you’re exhausted. Spend as much time as you can with them, work can wait, house chores those can wait too.

It won’t be long when you won’t rock them to sleep.

It won’t be long when they won’t ask you to play with them.

Welcome to the club and congrats.

- Make time for your partner. Both to continue nurturing your relationship, give each other alone time, and keep communication open (and on a relaxed tone). I cannot stress this enough.

- Set routines early. Even before our kids slept through the night, we started routines. You don't have to go crazy. Bath-time at Xpm, reading by Xpm, sleep by Xpm. Does wonders as they age.

- Sounds silly, but understand every kid is different. You'd be surprised how much their personalities seem formed even as tiny babies. What works for one kid might not work for another, even though you figure out strategies. (Ex. reverse psychology really does work at 7y for some reason).

- No one gives you a blueprint. Don't beat yourself up. Accept now that your actions will have unintended consequences. My wife and I are very intentional about our parenting because of bad upbringings. When you screw up, acknowledged where it was and what you can do in the future, but give yourself some leeway. It's not like they give us rule-books for this stuff.

- Find a support ASAP. Most parents I know have almost no support, and it shows. If your parents or grandparents or other family are there, speak up when you need help. Someone doing your dishes or giving you a night off is big. But cars will break down, you'll wonder how you're going to juggle everything. Find people you can trust.

- Read early and read often. Self-explanatory. Our kids are insane readers because we read to them constantly from the beginning. Whenever they wanted.

Watch out for postpartum depression. If you see symptoms, do not hesitate to seek psychiatric care immediately. Do not fight back if the psychiatrist suggests a stay at a facility, it's the best chance to adjust medication and get back to normal as quickly as possible.
Here is mine but may only help as they get older:

- You want them to find something that they enjoy a lot as they grow.

- Giving them something they are responsible for is unbelievably important. I have seen that lack of responsibility can lead to anxiety and much worse.

- Every age has it's challenges and benefits. I have fond memories for when the kids were young but don't think I could handle it at my age. Teenage years involved a lot of serious issues.

TLDR: Love your kid.

Read and sing to your kid - even if you are an awful singer. I read and sang lullabys to both my kids from when they were weeks old. THey didn't understand, but the memory is worth it, and I continued to so nightly until they were 7 or 8...or until they repeatedly said "Daaaaad! I'm too old for lullabys and bedtime stories." Then just read one more :)

Spend ALL the time with your kid - the time FLIES and one day you'll look at your 14 year as he mouths off to you and wonder how just moments ago you were cuddling with him as you were trying to put him to sleep in his crib.

I'm a night owl, so i never suffered from 'sleepless' nights like so many people complain about. Once my son's could take formula (ie when my wife wasn't necessary for the feeding), those were my favorite times: my wife could stay asleep and I could just grab a bottle and sit up every few hours through the night and feed them. Just me and either of my kids. Cherish those moments.

It is no exaggeration when a parent or grandparent tells you "Enjoy this moment because they fly by and before you know it they are grown." 15 years from now you'll wish for the sleepless nights when you were holding your baby trying to soothe them back to sleep.

"Lead by example" - You try to teach your kids the things they should know and to be better than you. Sometimes that means doing things better than you did (ie teaching them from mistakes or bad habits you might have), but kids are perceptive and will "learn it by WATCHING you". "Do as I say, not as I do" is less effective than leading by example. BE the man you want your son to be or your daughter to end up with. It's very difficult to backtrack on this when you realize you've been the wrong example.

Around 10 or 11, they will stop needing you as much or seeing you as their only hero. Take full advantage of the years before this to be the hero you want them to have and remember.

Teenage boys will rebel against their father and test boundaries. If you've set god boundaries and led by good examples and taught them good fundamentals, they'll circle back once they realize who they are and that you have always loved them - even during the arguments.

Be careful with criticism - even when trying to be helpful and constructive. They have a funny way of remembering constructive criticism as "negativity" :)

Overflow with praise for them - when deserved. Reign it in - but give it - when it's less so. They'll know that when you say something, you mean it.

When they're older sometimes you have to be "the bad guy" to help them learn right from wrong. Stand your ground if you know you are right, but always let them know you love them and are willing to talk about whatever dilemma they are going through.

End of the day: Love them the best that you can and tell them that every single day.

If it’s a boy, I would just let you know that he’s going to pee everywhere during diaper changes. Not all the time—only when you least expect it. Keep your cool and try not to leave stuff downstream that you wouldn’t want pee on.
I found it's better to let the child decide when to drop the diapers.

The first time around we heard the "specialists" and it really stressed the little boy. We gave up and let him decide and it went perfectly, as it did with our second child.

Yeah sure, but I’m talking infants here.
I mean, it's often a reaction to the cold air on previously insulated parts. :D When we were doing diapers, we found it helpful to have the replacement prepped as a shield ;)
If you ever can't find a pacifier just go buy a pack of 12 on Amazon, there's no reason to stress over a pacifier. Also get the baby used to a brand you have several of.

More importantly, enjoy the early days because the rate of change will never be this high again. The first week is special. The first month is special. Form as many memories as you can. The 8th year and the 9th year are mostly the same. Time will take those early days from you, you can't stop it. Complacency will take the later years from you, but you can stop that one, mostly.

As a tiny piece of advice: keep earmuffs or earplugs or noise-canceling earbuds around — sometimes babies are loud, and it’s easier to stay calm and far less unpleasant with appropriate PPE on hand.
Totally true. I have definitely popped in my AirPods before dealing with a screaming little one. You can still hear them loud and clear, they don't take offense, and it's easier to remain calm in the face of their screaming.
One time I was fly fishing with a baby on my back sleeping in his carrier pack. I managed to hook him the back of the head. Plucked the fly out and kept fishing, the kid did not even wake up! Kids are tougher then you expect.

The "Elimination Communication" thing is awesome if you can get it working. One baby it worked 90% and the other about 60%.

When baby gets to about 3 try "Teach Your Child to Read in 100 Easy Lessons", it is not easy but it is simple and it works.

Take other people's advice based on their own experience with copious amounts of salt. Babies are small humans, and as such could be very different. How they sleep, how they eat, and how they do anything at all will be as varied as how varied adults are.
There are no changing tables in the men’s room. Well, there are, but they’re rare, and the ones which are there are disgusting. You wouldn’t want to put your kid on that thing.
I have found them to be quite clean (though yes, rare). The cleanest place in the Stanford Shopping Center is the men's room at the American Girls store. Or rather, it was until the store closed last year. But that men's room was very rarely used, and the changing table was pristine.
The best advice I ever got was to internalize this: “the days are long but the years are short”.

As a father of a now 17 and 19 year old I can definitely say looking back that the years were indeed short. Enjoy the days.

I heard that advice many times, agreed with it, but still didn't really feel the weight of it until now, as my kids reach that range. It's bittersweet -- you see them blossoming into ever more amazing and beautiful versions of themselves, and you realize that you have even less time to be around them.
> The best advice I ever got was to internalize this: “the days are long but the years are short”.

100%. I can't count the time I picked up my infant / toddler and simply held then and felt their warmth. I also can't remember the last time that happened.

When I was a new father, another new father handed me this book: https://amzn.to/49odJYo (disclaimer: it's a paid affiliate link)

I found it very useful. I then gave this book to yet another new father.

It's $10, probably less if you get a used copy. This book is worth 100 of these comments, and hopefully you find it as useful as I did, and can then pass it on to another new father.

The title of the book, behind the affiliate link, is, 'Be Prepared: A Practical Handbook for New Dads'
Losing ~ALL your free time can hurt alot mentally, esp if you had very specific life goals like starting a business and escaping the 9-5 (vs generic ones like travelling the world etc), you likely have to give those up, and that can be very difficult mentally and emotionally

I went through a "grieving" process of my new fate in life. It helped more when the baby started smiling. It helped more when she started sleeping through the night. It helped more as I internalized and built acceptance more.

If anyone wants to reach out on this aspect of fatherhood please reply and would love to get in touch.

EDIT: And goes without saying, but try all you can to get into a job/role that's remote and not super time-consuming or stressful. You will find it really valuable to have some of that 9-5 time when there's childcare (and also away from your spouse depending on the situation) to recharge and do whatever the F you want :)

This is a good point. Not everyone immediately bonds with a newborn, either father or mother. If you're not feeling something you think you're supposed to be feeling, that's not unusual.

And they definitely get fun later on - but you'd be surprised at both how long it takes, and at the fun things you can find pretty early on.

Totally. I expected to feel this intense love that would help with the difficulty of it all, and it didn’t happen.

I also didn’t get any kind of surge of extra energy driven by this great new responsibility- you’ll have to make do with what you have folks.

I do love the baby a lot but I barely think about her when I’m not with her, unlike her mom which thinks about her all the time

Very late to this, but it will come. You will bond with your child and not even realize it. I would have said that I wasn't bonded with my child. In fact, she kind of annoyed me. Then I sent her away for a month to get a break. Suddenly everything fell apart for me emotionally. Turned out I could not think avout her when I was working etc because I was very comfortable with the people she was in the care of. Now that she was with people I really trusted, but several hours away withoit the ability to a check in on her whenever I wanted, it made me realize how very bonded I was to her.

I remember walking to her room out of habit and then laughing because of course she wouldn't be there. And then I'd do that 2 or 3 times a day every day. Other such absurdities.

I think that was a good experience for me because I still don't think about my kid very much when she's not around, but it doesn't mean I'm not attached to her.

Hard agree. I lost everything. Pre kids: working in a startup with long (but enjoyable) hours, lots of travel, conferences, tech meetups multiple nights throughout the week followed by continued discussion / dinner / bar hopping afterwards, music festivals, clubbing until sunrise and time with friends on weekends. If I wanted to do something, focus on something, or neglect something it could happen.

Then I had a child and COVID hit at the same time.

I switched jobs to an org with much more stability, predictable hours, and absolutely devoid of any passion. Combine that with immense sleep deprivation, no child-compatible social network, and society going through its own existential challenges. My mental health was comatose.

It's hard. It's really fucking hard, but you will settle into new patterns that work for you, even if that takes time. I'm now a few years in, have redefined some sense of self, work part time (in the same org, but a properly enjoyable role) and have a tiny human that my partner and I are continuing to explore the world with. It's an inexplainable experience that you're about to embark on. Hope you enjoy the ride.

Yes, all the "it's hard" that you hear from others – yeah you have no idea until you actually experience it.

So glad things improved for you. Really once you're a dad, the only choice is to adapt or divorce. Call it copium or what have you, but you do what needs to be done, you shift your mindset however it needs shifting, and do whatever helps you (and everyone else) get through.

Divorce doesn’t stop you from being a parent. Having a child is one of the few non-invertable functions you can apply to life.
Interesting. So from what I'm understanding, in your experience it is impossible to pursue goals for starting a startup or escaping the 9-5 once you have a child (or at least in the first several years of having a child?), and the 'correct' course of action is to accept that your goal is to provide and raise a family as your priority?
I would agree with OP, especially if your goal is to be a good parent. If you want do just basics of parenting, then it is not hard to pursue other goals.

I got young kids who definitely need a lot of personal attention, got appointments, playdates, driving around, etc. I could cut out a lot of these activities but then they end up watching tons of TV. I keep thinking once they are older, then I will have more time for personal projects but my friends with older kids are just as busy. If their kid is in sports, then forget about any freetime. They are always driving them to trainings, games, etc. One friend wakes up 3 in the morning to drive their kid to swim practice. They sleep in the car for 2-3 hours, then take their kid to school.

If your kids are not in the sports, then it does not look as bad but it seems they are always doing driving for their kids.

But I also think part of being a great parent is to teach your kids to pursue their dreams. And the best way to teach that is by showing them how you pursue your own dreams. Now how to do it all without burning out, I am still trying to figure out. (Or maybe I need to accept that it is not possible to do so)

Adding more details:

YES, it is all-consuming. It was for me and probably for most. Obviously there are factors like grandparents help available etc, but unless you have a full time live-in maid like they have in Asia (au pairs don’t count cause they’re still 45hrs/week), there’s so many chores to do, on top of watching and entertaining the baby.

At first I tried to still do everything, but after some fights I realized I wasn’t being a good husband/father and progress was so slow on the business that it was probably not gonna make it anyway.

My current advice: If you have such unmet goals, assume that there’s a 90% chance you’ll have to give them up. Then make your decisions based on that. Which are you more willing to give up on? It could lead to very tough decisions eg splitting with your spouse, if it’s something you truly can’t see eye to eye on. Mostly if you wanna do both and still have a few childbearing years left get off your ass NOW and go for it, quit your job, whatever, it might be your last shot.

One other tidbit: with kids there’s no time to do things but there’s LOTS of time to THINK about things eg when watching them, doing dishes, etc. I would have 100x more time to think about what I could do with the business than I actually had to be on my laptop to do them. It was absolutely maddening.

EDIT to add: I do believe having kids is one of the most beautiful, fulfilling and noble acts most of us can do, and in fact for most people (who spend most of their free time on entertainment) it’s the right thing… but the sacrifice is far greater for some than others.

I kind of disagree with this take. I mean sure, you do lose almost all your free time and you definitely have to reevaluate your priorities, but I don't think you need to give up on your life goals / things outside of work. IE. I have a ~3 year old and recently completed a master's degree while being (by my own evaluation) a good dad/husband. It was definitely a struggle and had to really challenge myself as to whether I thought it was worth doing, but I found the time to get it done after my wife and child were asleep or before they were awake. I think it gets a little easier to carve out free time after the first year.

I have my second on the way so we'll see if I'm still singing this tune in the fall.

Definitely agree with the remote thing though. I'm in a fully in-office role now and believe my life would be vastly improved if I found a remote role. I'm committed where I'm at for another 18 months and then plan to try my hardest to get into something remote.

Were you doing your masters along side your work?

In any case, this is heartening to see. The majority consensus seems to be you can either be a good dad, or pursue lofty goals, but not both because of the time commitment required for each.

TBH I'm looking for successful examples of parent founders (founding when they had a kid, and not when the kids were grown), particularly in the realm of vc backed ventures (even indie would make good examples, but there's a slightly different dynamic). I haven't found any good examples yet, and I don't know if that's because people don't talk about being a parent while pursuing other goals, or its something people don't do,

Tbf if you’re going to be quitting your 9-5 I don’t think it’s an issue. But no, I have not seen any _American_ examples of being a good dad + 9-5 + being a successful founder
That makes more sense. I do think if you add a 9-5 to it its nearing impossible.
That’s awesome but also a masters is a very different beast than starting a business IMO. It’s pretty defined (even with a thesis, in comparison) whereas trying to start a successful business is constant double guessing, pivoting, hustling when opportunities come by, needing to drop other things when opportunities come by, constantly strategizing/worrying when doing other things, etc

Still, that’s an achievement and kudos

Some people do have to give up their goals/dreams

Yours just happened to be still doable

Different parents, people really, have different needs for alone - deep thinking or wind-down time. I need a lot. Others don't need any. I think it's important to understand how much you can limit this time before you have children.
You will soon learn your body's limit on sleep deprivation.

Get help if you can. We hired a night doula after the first week of minimum sleeps, I have never been happier paying someone $400 a night.

Sleep when the baby does. You can catch up on chores later, but not sleep.

Prioritize your family over all else. Money is a renewable resource, your time together is finite and fleeting.