Ask HN: My wife needs something to do from home to make money...

233 points by mkelley ↗ HN
My wife is a stay at home Mom and is bored - unfortunately she doesn't have the best formal education credentials but she is far from stupid. However this does heavily impact her ability to get a job that pays much more than minimum wage, usually labor intensive. She has a herniated bulging disc in her lower back, so I'd prefer her not do a lot of manual labor all day. I wanted to hear from you guys what sort of entrepreneurial endeavors she might embark on with my programming/web expertise and a little bit of cash backing her. The catch is, she needs to be able to do it from home. She doesn't need to get rich - even earning ~$1000/mo would be acceptable as long as the man(woman) hours to money earned ratio is reasonable. Ideas?

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This might be right up her alley:

http://www.smartpassiveincome.com/how-to-build-a-niche-site/

It's not HN-ey, but I can see it working for her.

Best of luck!

This site promotes horrible spammy paractices such as "article spinning" (automated word substitution) and cross-posting the same (spun) article to numerous sites to with links to the niche site to enhance google-rank. Every link here is an affiliate link for another marketing site in the dense web of self-referential marketing guru sites. Not HN-ey is one way to put it!
So are there better resources you would recommend?

Thanks.

Sure. Check out SEOmoz.com. These guys provide great tools for SEO intelligence, and are not afraid to advocate doing things "the hard way", which will pay real dividends in the long term. If the tools are too pricey for the stage you're at, the blog is still invaluable.
Thanks.
True, this kind of thing still works though. Google updates are slowly trending towards hitting low quality stuff like spun articles though.
Sadly yes some of this does work, but you have to buy the tools and resources promoted by these sorts of sites, most of which would only seem to have experience using them to market SEO tools to other wannabee web marketers. The search engines are getting smarter though as you say, and depending on these sorts of techniques is asking for trouble.
Same with buying links from private blog networks and similar, Google is cracking down on this but people are still using links from vast blog networks and ranking well today.
I like that site overall, but some of the practices are spammy and unnecessary. I make a few thousand dollars a year from a video game site I created years ago as a hobby. As an experiment to see if I could do it again, I created another site and also made money. So with enough time, it's possible to scale.

There is no guarantee of success by being an infopreneur, and it can take a long time before you start seeing real money from it. I have a friend who made $10,000 in her first year with two sites, and I think her success is far above average. She now makes $50,000 with three sites.

It's harder nowadays than ever before though, because there's more competition and there's only one #1 spot on Google. And there's no guarantee of money. Some people could spend hundreds of hours and only make a few dollars.

For a wife who may not know anything about technology and wants to get started as an infopreneur, SiteBuildIt.com is a good service. They look terribly outdated but their information is solid. I checked them out for a month and saw their information is all the same stuff I learned from experience.

Writing useful content on a web site is what matters for a real business. Not spammy link practices.

Not HN-ish but has she considered Avon?

My wife sells Avon and it's a not half-bad way to make some income on the side.

Avon is not only a pyramid scheme but a terrible way to make money.
a terrible way to make money.

Depends on one's situation. As the poster described his wife, it sounds - to me - like a valid opportunity.

Avon is not only a pyramid scheme

No, it's not.

My wife does Avon with reasonable success. For her time she probably earns about minimum wage but she enjoys it because of all the walking.

That said, I don't think it's a good choice for the OP simply because of all the travel and sorting boxes, etc, involved.

Not quite a pyramid scheme but it is something one of my old highschool friends spams everyone about all the time.
Elance, textbroker, mechanical turk, etc?
Mechanical Turk has a terrible person hours:revenue ratio if you live in a developed country. Not as familiar with the others, but I think Elance tends to pay pretty poorly too.
From what I gather, it depends in part on the person. I never figured out elance but at one time was making over $200/week on textbroker. Yes, I felt the ratio amounted to slave labor but I was also clear a lot of the difficulties were on my end, not theirs. I am currently trying to develop my own sites, which have never made anywhere near $200/week. I remain torn between going back to those slave wages and continuing to gamble my time on a possible pay off somewhere down the road while, in the mean time, there is no income.
Contract programming? Try advertising on Kijiji/Craigstlist. There's always people out there who will pay you to make a website. Takes away the risk of not making anything from the site.
I don't happen to be a programmer. I have skills at doing things the world says cannot be done. There appears to be no money in either doing the impossible nor in trying to share information on how to do so.

But thanks anyway.

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You made me curious (about your skills at doing things the world says cannot be done). Can you elaborate?
Oh, sure. I'm talented at solving certain kinds of "personal" and social problems. Doing so tends to leave no evidence, thus I get called a teller of tall tales. Some issues I have addressed:

Recovery from child sexual abuse. I talk about that sort of/some on a blog called November West.

Raising and effectively educating very challenging children. I talk about that on a site called Kids Like Mine.

Getting well when doctors say it cannot be done. I talk about that on a site called Health Gazelle.

I don't know how to get traffic or effectively monetize any of them, in spite of the big reaction it often gets out of the handful of people that read them.

Last I was on (which was a couple of years ago) you could get a good hourly rate (>$20/hr) if you knew how to sort the HITs properly. There were a lot of tasks where the payoff per task was very low, and if you believed their estimate of how much time it took per task the hourly rate was very low, but the task was actually much quicker than they estimated.

For example, a "which of these things is not like the other ones" type task might be estimated as taking 15 seconds, but if you're in the zone you can do them in 5 seconds, netting you 3x the hourly rate.

can she market childrens apps? its very difficult to get your app exposure. i personally would pay for something like that. today the main option is review sites but theyre super saturated.
AirBNB hires at home customer service reps or at least they used to anyways not sure if they still do.

A lot of companies hire people to manage social media too.

Do you have any good links/references/experience with 'managing social media'? My wife has been offered a social media position with a small local company but neither of them know 'what to do' beyond managing facebook and she really wants to do well at the job (she's excited!) so is looking for ideas.
I've done some research into the area. Email me and we can chat.
try trada.com amazon mechanical turk, odesk.com elance.com
try trada.com amazon mechanical turk, odesk.com elance.com
What is your wife interested in? It's much easier to run a small business when you are genuinely interested in the field.

(A) Customers respond to someone who knows what they're talking about

(B) In any case you're happier doing something you enjoy

Suggest some possibilities!

Not programming related, but a good way would be ebay. Just have her buy/sell in an area she's familiar with and it's pretty easy to make money while enjoying a hobby at the same time.
I was looking for something similar for my girlfriend. I was thinking she could market/translate Western apps/websites for the Chinese market since she is Chinese and speaks Mandarin and Cantonese. Not sure how to get her started though. Would you pay for such a service?
I have seen on Cosplay branch of 4chan many people trying to buy things on Taobao, they had hard time messing with the messy Chinese interface, she could target them.
Maybe drop shipping? You have to make an effort in finding a !crowded niche but there's money to be made if you got your act together. Check out this Reddit IAmA http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/se78n/i_make_over_100k...
Hi Arkitaip, there was a thread exposing this guys posting as dishonest. I can't find it on Reddit any longer, but I did find this:

http://r.bernsteinbear.com/r/self/comments/sgaka/dont_trust_...

The gist was the links he posted to the PPC/SEO companies were actually his own (and this was his true purpose).

[Edit, found the link!]

Thank you for bringing this up. I've read that thread a couple of times but this has completely escaped my attention.

I still think there's business in drop shipping as long as you do your home work and apply common sense.

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Thanks for the note, although we probably shouldn't write off the whole post as misinformation. I think most of the info was really useful for people looking to get into the business.
Drop shipping can be harder than it looks, you need a quiet diverse skill set. You need to be across marketing, seo etc. You need to have a site (or ebay or something) that works well and keeps current with your suppliers products and their stock levels. You need to accept payments and deal with fraud.

You need to field questions from your customers as the merchant, without generally being able to have access to the products you are selling. You need to deal with shipping companies and angry customers questioning the legitimacy of your products. (Because they are cheap and coming from another country and they were slightly different to the last one they brought.... they must be fake).

Affiliate marketing is a lot easier place to start, you send s customer, get a commission and don't have to deal with the rest of the process. In terms of products I think the greater opportunities are in drop shipping, as long as you can do everything mentioned. There are people though making a fortune on leads without having to worry about everything else.

Some random thoughts: Prepare food and sell it or help tourists out. Create a website about living with a hernia.
Uh huh-huh. Huh huh-huh huh-huh-huh.
A one-hour old account with negative karma. Sounds like HN needs an auto-delete algorithm.
My girlfriend was doing medical transcription for a while before going back to school. It's boring, but it's a somewhat skilled position and thus the pay is decent (my girlfriend topped out around 2k per month). Your wife will have to get a medical transcription certification first, though.

Here's the company she worked for: http://www.nuance-nts.com/ - they're the same people that do Dragon Naturally Speaking and Siri. Kinda weird to be training algorithms that are replacing you.

Hey. Glad I ran into this post. My girlfriend likes paperwork, has been working as a nurse for four years, and is looking for a change for at least a bit. Can you tell me where your girlfriend got her transcription certification and how long it took?
Most community colleges with any sort of health programs (which are most) offer medical transcription programs. They're usually only a semester or two long and typically are very affordable. That said you may be able to find faster private/for profit certification programs.
Is all manual labor off the table? Does your wife have any crafting skills?

On Etsy, I've seen a lot of people making things that don't seem like they would be labor intensive beyond the occasional shifting and arranging of raw materials.

If she's capable of making things that would do well on that website, count me among the jealous :)

Good luck.

I'm getting ready to start an online forum, but I don't relish the prospect of having to monitor it for spam/abuse. It seems like having one person casually scan 10, 20, 50? forums throughout the day could easily keep the spam at bay, and each of those forums owners would probably be quite happy to pay $100+? per month to keep their forum spam free.
Most of the forums I've seen have a "report spam" feature that could be made more prominent, but human moderators are also valuable.

Along the same lines, I know there are independent product developers (iOS apps, Android apps, web apps, etc.) who are tired of doing email support themselves, but find it hard to find competent contractors to do thoughtful first-level support for them. This usually doesn't require advanced technical skills, mostly just being able to interpret vague descriptions, escalate important reports, and respond with polite standard English. I imagine building up a good reputation on a public Q&A site (the Apple discussion forums or something) could be a helpful first step for this, and then using connections to get an initial client or two who can vouch for you.

Forum spam is a generally solved problem. And a non-issue for a forum with no traffic.

If you are ever getting hit with xrumer blasts, you just need to rotate your "What is 5+5?"-type registration questions because someone hard-coded your registration process into xrumer.

Beyond that, if you have any users at all, you'll be able to cultivate an armada of volunteer moderators to help you out.

just a wild, very wild and untested, idea. a mini-niche "mechanical turk" iphone(andorid) app.

i.e.: if your wife is called "gloria" the app is called "Ask Gloria"

  * user types in an question/request.
  * gloria (the real gloria) response.
the app is free(? or 0.99) with a 1 question package.

an additional question pack (of 5 questions) costs 10(?)$

the selling point is that not an anonymous person or siri-AI answers your stuff, but a real human being. the app can be pitched to techblogs and other stuff as an (funny and "slow life") alternative to siri & co.

it's the smallest niche i can think of. just a wild idea, would love if you give it a try and report back to HN.

It's what ChaCha was supposed to be, I guess they still are.
with Chacha you ask "a person" (maybe, if the question wasn't asked before), with Ask Gloria you ask Gloria. but yeah, the product has similarities, but the marketing and selling point would be different.
It's a really cool idea. I would worry about it interrupting normal life. If Gloria has limited availability (on lunch, sleeping, at a movie or otherwise living life) then the app is significantly less useful.
Use twilio to cache the calls. Charge for urgency of response.
Vodafone in Australia (not sure about everywhere else) once had a similar service which they pitched as being able to find the answer to anything. I only used it once or twice, often while trying to prove something in a bar.

Pretty handy service however I think you'd want to be able to call in your question as there might be a bit of forwards and backs in trying to work out exactly what you're trying to get the answer to.

There were quite a few of these globally, but Google on mobile killed them I think.
This is a pretty cool idea, but it could easily go out of control if even one news outlet picks the story up. I'd raise the price by a lot (like $9.99 a question), in order to keep volume reasonable.
This is a pretty cool idea, but it could easily go out of control if even one news outlet picks the story up. I'd raise the price by a lot (like $9.99 a question), in order to keep volume reasonable.
pot. solution: pinboard inspired pricing - the more questions are in the queue (or the more question packages sold), the higher the - in app purchase - price.
Would anyone actually pay $10 a question?
People will pay for anything :)
Yes, but how do you get them to do that?

(Serious question. Not kidding.)

Have you tried asking yet?
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Yes. But apparently extremely badly...or something.
How about the niche "ask a mom"? This way new moms or parents in general can ask her about tips (i.e. Tips for traveling with a baby?). If it sticks, she can grow the network of possible moms to ask (which would "require" some kind of blog about parenthood etc).
There were at least two versions of this: Chacha and KGB. The former I used extensively - you'd just send a text to CHACHA with a question and a real person would answer it for you. Some of the responses I got were quite amusing :)
Is she good at making things? She could set up an Etsy shop. Know a couple of stay at home moms who make a few thousand dollars a month selling art or crocheted things.
Do your accounts, chase invoices, quarterly returns etc.. pay her a salary reduces corp. tax liability and enfranchises her into your startup.. it's working out for us both.. so far
On TV they always do this phone sex thing :-)
Not the most appropriate response to a husband. This isn't Reddit.
Why does noone on HN have a sense of humor?
Because it keeps the signal to noise ratio high. I got thoroughly downvoted for making a few wisecracks when I first arrived here and didn't get why.

After being here a while I appreciate being able to read comment threads that are centered around useful conversation from people who know what they're talking about and not a contest to see who can crack the funniest joke. If you like that, Reddit's good.

We do have one but there are other sites for this.
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When it's pointed toward someone's real wife, in a sincere thread about something important - well, sex worker jokes aren't funny in that situation. Particularly given the guy isn't a friend of yours, nor is the wife.

Suggestion: never try that anywhere but a web forum.

Phone sex is about the same as telemarketng-- more ethical, even. Don't degrade the people who do it by insinuating that it is bad work.
I never said it was bad work. Don't misrepresent what I actually said. I said it's a sex worker job. Which it is. I'd love to see an explanation for how getting paid to perform phone sex is not a sex worker job.
Well you're not sticking the phone inside yourself are you?
I think, like me, you're from the UK? Most HN readers are American and different cultures usually have different senses of humor and taboos.

Doing sex phone work is a bit "ooh, naughty" here but as a topic for general conversation is far less offensive than in the US. We even get light hearted documentaries about sex phone operators on TV (http://steverogerson.suite101.com/my-phone-sex-secrets-chann...) featuring students and grannies who've decided to give it a crack to earn a few quid, but when set amongst US norms your suggestion is barely better than suggesting she walk the streets.

tl;dr - When in Rome..

While I appreciate cultural differences, especially with our brothers across the pond, on HN it's just noise, not signal, no matter where you're from. Plenty of lad mags and subreddits for that stuff, but it just clogs up the bitstream here.
On TV these wives are usually shown doing the laundry or changing diapers while talking on the phone. Last I saw was a movie with Anne Hathaway doing that job while dating her new boyfriend or working her boring job as a secretary. In the end her boss from her "proper" job takes over the phone customers for her. Sorry if I did offend, judging by all those movies I didn't think it was such a big deal. No idea if it would be a viable job thing (reality is probably different from TV after all).
Buying shit on Cragslist (or Gumtree in the UK) and selling on eBay and vice versa. My better half manages 500-800GBP a month with this quite happily. Persuaded some muppet to sell her a Korg Triton for 80GBP and got 580GBP on ebay for it :)

Unfortunately it got converted to clothes and shoes pretty quickly :(

let me translate what you just said:

"Persuaded some muppet": she gained her mark's confidence.

"to sell her a Korg Triton for 80GBP": she ripped her mark off.

"and got 580GBP on ebay for it": and then she profited from the rip-off.

in some circles, that is referred to as grifting.

It was knocked down from 120 from someone who hadn't done their pricing research so it's fair game :)

Taking from idiots is an evolutionary step. Look at VC funding!

Ignorance =/= idiocy.
No but idiocy is directly proportional to ignorance.
SEO consulting - it can be learned relatively quickly, is not that technical for the basics, and is a great complement to your programming/web expertise for your projects
Do you have any recommended resources?
SEOmoz ties in with a lot of the most high profile SEO resource points.
I know a couple of different businessmen who got a hard pitch over the phone from YellowBook to buy their SEO services, one a plumber and the other water damage restoration. The latter was conned into buying a $600/month premium contract for six months! Its essentially fraud..
QA, testing web sites in late development and logging bugs.

Most developers hate doing this, & PM's are not good at anything.

I usually pay $40/hr for this, however it only takes a few hours, and that rate means the bug report is reported in a way that it's easy to read and recreate without having to have a conversation about it.

I'd love to get into doing this on the side, but 99% of QA jobs I've seen require solid knowledge of programming. Is this not the case?
At all of my past companies (the current is notably different), and the majority of companies where my programmer friends work, QA requires no meaningful knowledge of programming, just knowledge of

    the product
    how programmers (the people) think, and how to cope with them

That said, it's not at all clear to me how this is a work-from-home job.
I had a p/t QA job testing games for IBM and other local ISVs. I was a highschool student at the time and the only requirement was knowing how to use a computer and writing detailed descriptions of what happened and what you did to cause it.

I can't imagine how programming has anything to do with assurance (the A in QA). Though I have seen job descriptions confuse QA with analytics and analytics definitely requires programming expertise. I usually chalk this up to HR not knowing what the hell they are talking about.

It's so ridiculous that people always want QA testers to be programmers. My fiance is a fantastic QA tester but has no interest in programming. She interviewed at Twitter, which at the time did not have a single manual QA tester keeping an eye on their products, and they just asked her a bunch of questions about coding. They should have sat her down and asked her to find bugs. No programmer I know has the patience to do what she does manually. She works with a team that makes extensive use of automated testing. But things still slip through, and it's worth it to have a human being looking for issues. Doing everything with manual QA is obviously stupid. But I think the pendulum has swung too far in the other direction as well. Having no manual QA whatsoever seems like a big waste of time for teams that are large enough to afford it.
My little world of web apps there are 2 types of testers, both valuable.

1) Programmer testers that write reusable, and automated tests, as well as encourage & assist the dev team to write their own tests. These folks work through the entire project , usually on product type projects.

2) Manual Testers (there must be a better name) These folks are good communicators that focus primarily on the client perspective. Developers, and their tests, tend to evaluate code in a rigid & consistent way that may not reflect the end user experience. These testers are also used on products but more commonly on turn-and-burn projects for Agencies or startup MVP's that are not huge yet.

If you did want to get into programming I do think that QA is an outstanding way to bootstrap a web dev career. I've laid out a plan here http://www.robertspeer.com/blog/no-degree-no-problem-some-ha...

It's not how I got got into making web apps but I think it's a solid way to get into a well paying career.

I would also love to get into this. I am teaching myself programming but I'm far off from making a career out of it.

I believe I can usually communicate well with programmers, but is there anything else I can do to make myself qualified for this type of job?

Also, are there any recommended sites or places to look for these types of job postings besides the 99tests one mentioned? Thank you.

Is this still available??I would love to do it,for both the money and the experience.ephan17 [@] gmail.com ..I can show you my background and a site I have done.