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Material design feels like it was designed entirely to look good with zero regard for usability. It uses way too much padding for everything and wasted tons of screen real estate.
I wouldn't be surprised if it was one of the most extensively usability tested design systems ever. Whether or not that supersedes the hubris of Google designers is another story. Personally I don't have an issue using material design elements as a user.
I always had the impression that it was a design taken blindly to desktop after it ended up getting positive reception on mobile.

On desktop, I found it to have weird buttons, weird spacing, weird controls and layouts with hamburger menus all over the place.

My main complaint is actually with mobile. Phones already have limited screen space. I don't need Google's trash padding taking 20% or more of that away from me.

In terms of UI, Android 11 was the last good Android. Anything with Material looks awful. In fact, I will likely switch to Linux or Sailfish OS if possible when I have to replace my Android 11 phone.

I think based on timing your objection is with Material You / Material Design 3 specifically, which replaced Material Design 2 starting in Android 12. Android 11 was already using Material Design (2) (the card theme) which replaced the previous theme, Holo in Android 5. Holo was the cyberpunk-y black with blue highlights interface, though honestly Kitkat (4.4) had already started that trend that led to Material, removing colors from Holo.

I'm also not a fan of Material You to be honest, the "colors from your background" gimmick just results in all the colours being muddy boring desaturated ones, and the general low contrast + rounded look just doesn't work for me.

OK, you are correct, Material You is the main complaint here. Basic Material isn't that bad, but Material You ruined everything.
The use of hamburger menus on desktop is one of my pet peeves. I get that it's simpler to manage across the vast number of properties that an organisation like Google has, but it's a really suboptimal use of space. Ditto the fact that the "new document" icon in Google Workspace is all the way at the bottom right, even on a huge monitor.
> Ditto the fact that the "new document" icon in Google Workspace is all the way at the bottom right, even on a huge monitor.

Even on mobile it's easy to miss! Google makes it a white button with a thin gray shadow, usually against white rows separated by thin gray lines.

If you squint, it literally becomes invisible because its visible weight is identical to its surroundings.

IIRC it used to be the solid accent color with white text, so you couldn't miss it. But now it's almost invisible unless you know where to look for it. It really is baffling.

Desktop interface design peaked in Windows 95 and it has been consistently downhill since then.
Windows XP was good, even if it was very…playful. Windows 7 was usable even with the eyecandy. i feel that Win95 UI was a bit too drab for personal computing.
Maybe, but it didn't translate to mobile at all.

Flat design has been the attempt to try to create a unified design language across desktop and mobile, since most people are constantly switching between the two and using the same apps across both.

To be honest I kind of miss the old skeuomorphic design days where you didn't need tons of animations and huge margins to make flat design usable.
Enable high contrast mode on macOS. It adds borders around buttons etc.

You’ll be amazed how clean yet unusable the flat design is when you turn it off after a week

The padding is useful for mobile/tablet I assume.
I hate log in pages which split username and password across two pages. It messes with my password manager.
It’s necessary for SSO and passwordless flows
As passwords are used less and less with alternatives like Passkeys, SSO, or even just policies defined by the maintainer of an account, split login flows like this are going to become more and more common.

I know it’s a slight regression for password managers, it annoyed me at first, but I have made my peace with it as I understand the other security benefits. I’d recommend sorting your password manager out, I use 1Password and don’t have any problems. I think it’s something password managers will need to get better at quickly.

Bitwarden usually fills in both fields for me.
Which password manager do you use? I use 1Password and the split username / password Google logins work fine for me, and from another sibling comment it sounds like Bitwarden does too.
AFAICT the better ones (including Google's existing flow) have the password input present in the document, but hidden, and unhide when they want to ask for it. That way a manager looking at the DOM can pre-fill (or be ready to fill) the password.

Splitting across two documents seems monstrous and probably insecure?

It shouldn't if implemented correctly
Yeah but it's required for SSO.

There's no point in blaming the pages -- blame lies with the password manager or browser/OS.

E.g. on iOS, Safari fills in your username just fine even when there's no password field. Whereas on iOS, third-party browsers (e.g. Chrome) won't. According to 1Password, it's a known bug that is up to Apple to support/fix in WebView. (And the fact that it works in Safari but not WebView seems a little anticompetitive...)

So much hype for a crappier looking page
It makes sense that they're making a huge amount of noise about this, because "this doesn't look like the right login page" is otherwise an extremely valid reaction that should be encouraged.
and yet, they announce a change to the login screen from a domain of workspaceupdates.googleblog.com

If I was unaware of the change, and somebody sent me a link, and I wanted more information about the change, and got sent a link to workspaceupdates.googleblog.com (without already knowing of it) I would think its a sophisticated phishing attempt. A corporation like google should really be pushing human trust through exclusive use of .google or .google.com

Are they making a huge amount of noise?

This is just their changelog page essentially, where every Workspace update is documented, no matter how large or small. The intended audience is Workspace admins.

On the other hand, why this trivial change is being upvoted here on HN as interesting news is totally baffling to me.

> Note that this is strictly a change in visual appearance, there are no functionality impacts or changes.

This is the only sentence that matters.

So they went to all this trouble to NOT fix the multi-account issues? Which is for like, anyone with both a personal Gmail and a work Gmail?
The person who is getting promotion for this is not the one who cares about these issues (which is like pretty much every single workspace user).
Apparently not, but it is excellent news for those of us that read that headline and thought “what fresh new hell did some UX designer trying to pad their resumé and really leave their mark on the world for the next couple of years cook up?”

So it’s at least a karmically neutral change. You didn’t win anything and I didn’t lose anything.

Social engineering attackers remained silent for some minutes /s
Cool. So when can I sign out of one account without signing out of all accounts without jumping through hoops?
It's wild to me that they don't implement dark mode and `prefers-color-scheme` for their sign in page, and I'm assuming this will still be the case. Gotta love visiting youtube.com which does respect this preference, then get blasted with light once you click Sign In.
Dark Reader. Seriously.
Links to the extension [0][1]. I can second the recommendation! This extension is one of the best things about Firefox on Android.

[0] Firefox: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/darkreader/

[1] Chrome: https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/dark-reader/eimadpb...

Yeah, I recently got a new computer and suddenly found the web unusable. I'd actually forgotten that I'd installed that extension, I just thought almost every website supported dark mode now.
No dark mode on GMail is… the worst.
For a page that has a billion users and is a prime spoofing target, they probably have real data showing that any visual adaptation results in substantial user confusion.
If any visual adaptation results in substantial user confusion, then why roll out this update which they say is "strictly a change in visual appearance"? If they're going to cause confusion, at least incorporate some additional functionality at the same time.
> If they're going to cause confusion, at least incorporate some additional functionality at the same time.

That seems like the worst time to add new functionality.

When a service is being redesigned, I hope improvements to the functionality is what's leading those changes. Causing confusion without any benefits beyond a "more modern look" isn't the best reasoning for a redesign.
Dark mode is still pretty hit or miss across the web and across apps, and I'm not sure I ever see that changing.

That was my fear when Apple rolled it out at the OS level -- that it would only ever be half useful because it just wouldn't become universally adopted.

Contrast that with, for example, 2x/3x retina resolution across apps and the web which is now totally standard. I almost never see icons or UX elements with blocky pixels anymore, except on extremely old forum software.

By this point I almost wish Apple would forcibly smart-invert everything that looks like light mode into dark mode at the OS level. Like trying to read Google News at night is a nightmare because half the articles are dark but half are light.

Can I maybe switch accounts from the first screen instead of the second this rendition? It feels so weird to respond to "hi wrongaccount@gmail.com, click next to continue" with next.
> Note that this is strictly a change in visual appearance, there are no functionality impacts or changes.

> There is no admin control for this feature.

> There is no end user setting for this feature

What was the point of all this press noise then? Even in the Google product, they've been pestering me with these useless "the sign in page is getting a new look" notices.

This all feels like a huge nothingburger. Maybe all the public communications was only published to support some PM's promotion case at Google.

If the page suddenly changed without warning, a lot of people would probably think that they didn’t land on the legitimate login page.
What press noise? This is a blog for Workspace admins that lists literally every update to Workspace no matter how big or small. But was submitted to HN for some reason.

Although the notification about "getting a new look" is important for security. After all, protecting yourself from phishing requires you to recognize that a site is legit. So showing that notification on the login page is a pretty obvious thing to do. (And I haven't seen it anywhere else.)

I this why simple html interface to Gmail will stop working in March?
> Admins: There is no admin control for this feature.

> End users: There is no end user setting for this feature — users see these improvements automatically. Visit the Help Center to learn more about the new Google sign-in page.

It's fascinating to see the shift in tone between admins and end-users. For admins they know that all admins want to know is if they can do anything about it which they can't. For end users though, they devolve into PR-speak and direct people to help center articles. Seeing these directly next to each other is surreal.

I wonder who is in charge of this? All these changes in Google are more like reflection who has more power inside Google but not what customers want.

And of course problems with multi account issues and workspace addons is whatever…

It is funny because I don't see at all on what count the new page have a "more modern look".

Here, "more modern" probably means that "this did not change for a long time, so we can say that it is modern if we change it"