How have you found purpose in your life?
However, as I began to emerge from said fog over the last few months, the lack of purpose in my life was clear. Work is just a job, I have a few hobbies I enjoy (cooking, running, reading), but none of them would equate to a purpose in life. I have no kids and no desire to have them. A great marriage. A few friends, but most of them have kids and never see them anymore. My dog is great, and I enjoy spending time with him.
I can't stop asking myself: is this enough? Why am I not feeling content? Why do I feel like every day is a repetitive exercise in near futility?
All the generic self-help stuff online around purpose isn't connecting with me for some reason. I am looking to this more analytically-minded crowd to source ideas for how to actually go about finding purpose and meaning in one's life. What did you do? What did you discover along the way? What would you do differently?
It's embarrassing to admit, but I need a roadmap here. I work with a therapist and a coach and I STILL cannot crack the purpose and meaning stuff. I feel broken.
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[ 3.8 ms ] story [ 147 ms ] threadAnother evergreen recommendation for this topic of course is: "Man's Search for Meaning" https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/4069.Man_s_Search_for_Me...
Wishing you the best on your journey
Although I haven't personally engaged with it, David Chapman's Meaningness writings (https://meaningness.com) try to address this stuff from an analytical perspective.
I do train martial arts (Jiu-Jitsu and Muay Thai), have a garden, like to cook, read, etc.
But I've never found any real purpose for life, although I love Buddhism, and felt most complete when I was traveling through Bangkok with my girlfriend, visiting temples, meditating, and just living life.
Buddhism gives me a clarity of mind and a feeling of happiness that I was lacking without it. The purpose, essentially, is to end suffering in the world (as well as within yourself). Life is suffering. We can put out the flames, little by little.
In general, I think life philosophies are what people lack. You might try reading the Stoics and see the ways in which they recommend living life, or, like me, adopt a branch of Buddhism. But do explore as many philosophies as you can. Find one that clicks for you. And don't forget to travel.
It is not like the typical western Buddhist/mindfulness books that obfuscate or obscure the Dharma.
It contains a wealth of wisdom and helped me overcome fundamental misunderstandings with regard to the Four Noble Truths. Suffering is exists, but not all is suffering!
I'd recommend this to anyone curious about wanting to know more about the Buddhist path.
One of the key components of Buddhism is that it is experiential. While Buddhism is definitely a religion, it greatly differs from Judeo Christian / Islamic theologies. I would try to pause before applying the same sort of biases or lenses you may have towards other religions. Buddhism is meant to be experienced in the right now, the moment to moment life as you are living it.
I highly recommend digging into it, whatever doesn't resonate - move on, and what does go deeper. There is no wrong way to do it.
As we lift our veils and truly see what life entails, we really get into the nitty gritty of our own lived experience and things begin to greatly change. We discover the broader context that we live in.
Contributing towards this beautiful broader context has given me an immense amount of purpose. I can think of no greater gift I've received than having this click into place.
Aside from that, I highly recommend doing a retreat of some sort. Wether it be a meditation retreat, yoga retreat, or wilderness retreat. Even just a few days can be absolutely life changing. I have seen it with my own eyes.
And finally depending where you are, what your social circle is like, what your mental and physical health conditions are, what traumas you've experienced in your life and simply your access, a guided Mushroom or Ketamine journey may be of great value.
The question you are asking is a deeply important one, may we all spend the rest of our life exploring and finding answers that lead to more questions.
Stay curious my friend, good luck!
I am currently on this path as well. Here are a couple of sources that I like to recommend:
The TV show Midnight Gospel touches on a particular existential philosophy in each episode and includes a lot of interesting perspectives.
Alan Watts produced a lot of entertaining discussion that bridges the differences between Eastern and Western philosophies, primarily Zen, Dao, and Advaita Vedanta.
Speaking from experience the number one thing that gave me purpose in life is kids. There is nothing more purposeful that having something that you love more than yourself. I tell everyone this and I understand that you may not agree. Having kids is the greatest thing you will ever do. When you're 60 sitting at home you're going to wish you would have had them.
Non-kid suggestions would be start a project, that you can feel ownership over. You own it and make something of it. You are responsible for its success or failure. Again, I'm no expert.
Having kids is not for everyone, and even for those people who have them, as probabilities dictate, might be the worst thing you will ever do and everything in between.
This became super evident when I was filling out my benefits insurance form and found that aside from my mom, who is much older than me I have no beneficiaries.
I guess I have only my dog and my mom to live for.
Congrats on giving up the drinking OP. That's awesome bro! I suppose you could find purpose in sharing with others your journey on how to give up booze.
Obviously don't "have them" to get your life in order.
I just don't see how that follows. It's like saying "computers are useless for any applications outside of pure mathematics because every operation a CPU executes is mathematical in nature" or something.
I have a similar background, alcoholic for about 20 years. Mid-life, married and no kids (and wife+me do not want kids).
Life is purposeless, that is why people fill it with religion or children.
It's up to us to make something out of it, and I believe social interactions is the best way to it.
So, for some suggestions, I'd suggest get out there and find some new friends who share some interests. Or maybe pick up some new hobbies/interests.
A crucial point i think is to put yourself out there to experience new impressions, that's what usually make me the most happy. Take a long walk in the sun and experience a new place for the first time.
Here's some things I do to avoid drinking:
* exercising by chopping woods, digging ditches and building stuff.
* learning wood working
* looking for treasure with metal detector
* learning more about biology by being outside and studying plants, birds, bugs and all that.
* hang out with animals. me+wife got some horses, chicken and cats. they are awesome!
* offered myself to produce visual effects for a local band live gigs, as a bonus i get to show off my programming visually which is rare for a backend-dev
* picked up bee-keeping, both cheap and challenging hobby
* farming. watching stuff grow that you care for is meaningful in some self-fulfilling sense. also co-farming with other neighbors
* joined a sewing circle, great social place and as a bonus managed to mend a lot of broken clothes
Good luck out there!
I ended up moving across country and while I lost some friends, it really helped me get out of that mindset.
In hindsight I realize the city offered alot of non-drinking opportunities, I just didn't consider them before.
You might have access to for example:
* indoors wall climbing
* geocaching adventures
* computer clubs
* watch-a-movie circles
* board gaming groups
Or many other social situations where you could meet other friends that you'd find fun or interesting that's actually not focused around drinking.
Also just in general change your mindset to being a producer and a giver instead of a consumer and a taker. Taking up a hobby such as wood working, leather working, or music where you can produce some tangible result for your efforts can do wonders for your mental health.
But I strongly dislike how little academia pays and how much politics it has. It's not like I can pick out a problem myself that seems unsolvable and try to have a crack at it. Also, the problems to solve feel way too hard with the skillset I have.
Ever since I was a kid I wanted to know everything. I can't let that go. I'm not the brightest, and yet I'm still following that mission.
It can be through having kids, but also through teaching others, passing on knowledge or being of help to others through work or inventions.
For me, it feels meaningful to play with and educate my daughter. But also it feels very meaningful to find ways to help others through philanthropy and to just spend time learning more about the natural world. Before learning all this I looked for meaning in more egotistical places like career prestige and "achievements" but they just felt empty to me.
I now think that the search for meaning/purpose from an external source is a futile trap that you can burn large chunks of lifetime on.
This description reminded me of the excellent film "I Heart Huckabees" which I appreciated during the drying out phase that OP is going through.
Kids or a house have never and aren't likely going to be part of my future, and there will probably come a time where the absence of those life stages makes me wonder what else there is, but until then it's important to preserve and grow with the people I see walking on the street, my friends, family, girlfriend etc.. and write a little code and do a bit of work ideally along the way.
I have a 22 year old adult daughter (I had her when I was 19) - she didn't grow up with me (I did provide financial support) but I do feel connected to her. Its nice she exists. She's even finished college. I would though like to have 1-2 more children (I am 42 so its possible) ideally in the next 2 years.
I plan also, as a hobby, to make a 'social' boardgame. I hope one day it can be turned into a web application.
I would also like to write a blog / write stories.
When I'm retired I would like to help out with community stuff too.
I want to try and be useful and spread kindness till I'm gone. Other people are all we have.
Job is just a job. Hobbies become jobs if I dip too deep (like writing an interpreter), and family is mostly chores so it's job anyway.
But TBH I have never met anyone who figured that out. My wife apparently does not have a purpose, unless you count growing up the kid as one. My parents in law doom scroll tiktok and other similar apps everyday. My parents doom scroll the same apps and make posts criticizng the government everyday.
My best friend owns a small workshop so he is pretty deep into his work. But he told me he does not enjoy the work. He has few hobbies and little time anyway.
My other best friend owns maybe 10 renting properties. He is very good at it I can tell you, but apparently he likes to be busy but hate the content.
My another friend actually likes his job, but he also wants to write iOS apps and be a indie. I do not think he has found the purpose either, although he is probably in the best shape mentally.
I know a few other friends but they are mostly in the same shape. They all own some small businesses so they are sort of passionate about working, but that is defintely not their calling if you ask me. They do fare better than the salary earners I guess.