If you add the PWA to the home screen from say Chrome then Chrome should run the PWA. If you uninstall Chrome then the app is removed from the home screen.
A third party browser should be able to do the same things as Apple's browser. Same for all apps: they should have access to the same features of the device as Apple's apps.
Apple's rationale in their letter about this was essentially that they would need to ensure that it works (create and review use of a framework for non-Safari-backed PWAs in iOS) and that (usage of PWAs) x (percent of userbase affected) was too small for them to bother.
Just let me pick if I want multiple browser engines. I would rather have only WebKit, but still being able to use PWAs.
Especially since this is a stupid geofenced restriction: "only because I live in the wrong part of the world I can't get notifications" sounds like quite a stupid thing to do.
You choose whatever browser you want for any PWA you happen to want to use. The OS will put a small badge on the icon which shows the browser responsible for running it. If things go south you know which browser to blame. You can install multiple versions of the app using different browsers and compare them, then only keep the one which you like best.
Because Apple products are just so much easier to use than anything else...I just have to tap here and then there, then swipe left, no right, no hold and then swipe left, and tap and hold and...wait, no that's not right, let me just go back to home screen using my home button...where is the home button...that's right I just have to hold and wait...no swipe down, no, up, swipe up...but not at the bottom, in the middle and here we are, all the apps...you could ever want and all so easy to use.
> let me just go back to home screen using my home button...where is the home button...that's right I just have to hold and wait...no swipe down, no, up, swipe up...but not at the bottom, in the middle and here we are, all the apps
Wait what? If you swipe up anywhere on the bottom edge it'll take you home. The swipe target is the entire edge.
You mean the edges that Apple has been so desperate to get rid off?
Unironically no-edge screens are starting to piss me off how annoying they make this kinda shit. Like, I don't want to start below the phone just to be able to consistently close an app, it is uncomfortable as shit especially with bigger hands.
I've switched between ios and android a few times, but currently on iOS.
* I would say the hardware is actually not as good as most Androids (my screen scratches, alloy AL/Ti are absolutely dumb material choices for something like a dentable phone). Up until recently, Android had expandable storage on android via SD cards, but that's pretty much gone these days. Androids typically lacked dumb things that drive up phone price on iPhones, but they've been hard at work on closing this gap and making things more pricey for no reason... but generally the phones are far more durable and repairable.
* The iOS software isn't as great in many many areas (Google voice to text works far better, texting actually works to the outside world, no shared filesystem folders like "Downloads", anti-competitive behavior with other brands of smartwatches like Garmin, you can't actually turn an iPhone off, many many other artificial dumb limitations)
* but iOS is better in some areas: Google is not vacuuming up personal life and monetizing it (when google does it, its "business" when others do it, is "hacking"), iCloud clipboard sync is a neat trick if you have a Mac, iMessage on Mac is a great experience, FaceTime works pretty danged well, international eSim experience is actually quite good on iOS, iCloud keychain and sync is actually pretty good)
I think after this iPhone dies or Apple slows it down enough, I'm going to switch to GrapheneOS and figure out how to replace iOS keychain sync/clipboard sync.
I don't know about iPhone, but my Galaxy S21 doesn't turn off when you hold the power button, you need to pull down the notification area 2x (for the more detailed buttons) and turn off from there. There is an option for changing power button back to showing the power menu, but it wasn't the default (and writing this made me look for it and change it, should kinda tell you how often I actually need it...).
Yes this! If you like using Apple products, you should be able to continue to use them. Those that don't like this should be free not to use them, it is not like there are not other mobile phones/tablets out there.
What I really dislike are people who say we shouldn't have a choice in the experience we want.
EV(deal with EU's bullshit) < EV(tell EU fuck off)
Then, EU will enter the new dark ages. Most of the tech products and services that we consider necessary for modern life are products of USA. The more EU keeps trying to grab more and more money from these USA companies via fines and fees carefully engineered to only ensnare USA companies, the sooner this will be.
I doubt any of them would. See how Meta bends itself backwards even though as a web service it would be the easiest to turn the lights off. And even if, are there no reasonable other alternatives? Plus even USA companies would love to jump on such a huge market vacuum.
Aren't they disallowed from turning the lights off? Whenever a country tells Meta/Google that they have to pay for news results, and then they say "we just won't index/include news anymore", they seem to get into even more trouble.
That's a lot less feasible for a physical device seller. It's much easier to block importation of a physical device than it is to have country-wide/continent-wide firewalls.
I don’t agree with your comment.
I see 2 scenario based on your assumptions:
1 - The companies are making way too much money in the EU and are willing to go through “fines and fees carefully engineered” (which by the way are called laws and regulations). I take for example the case of China where laws and regulations are more tricky and we see Apple or Microsoft thriving there.
2 - Let’s say that the companies are saying “fuck this shit” and actually leave EU. Then I go back to the example of China where you have local players emerging (Bilibili, Baidu, Weibo or Wechat etc…) to bridge the gap and meet the need.
Overall, I support these regulations, I believe that Apple reached a size and a central position in the life of too many people, at some point it needs to be controlled, coerced (or dismantled) to make sure that it doesn’t spin out of control. Same applies for the other companies targeted by the DMA, their size is just too big to allow smaller players to emerge.
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I really hate the fact that some of my favorite PWA’s like https://app.mutinywallet.com/ will require me to log in every time that I use them.
You could let people customize it per-PWA, but that's extra complexity for a small niche. Just let people pick a system browser.
Especially since this is a stupid geofenced restriction: "only because I live in the wrong part of the world I can't get notifications" sounds like quite a stupid thing to do.
Freedom of choice is a good thing - for users.
Wait what? If you swipe up anywhere on the bottom edge it'll take you home. The swipe target is the entire edge.
The top of the screen on the other hand...
Unironically no-edge screens are starting to piss me off how annoying they make this kinda shit. Like, I don't want to start below the phone just to be able to consistently close an app, it is uncomfortable as shit especially with bigger hands.
* I would say the hardware is actually not as good as most Androids (my screen scratches, alloy AL/Ti are absolutely dumb material choices for something like a dentable phone). Up until recently, Android had expandable storage on android via SD cards, but that's pretty much gone these days. Androids typically lacked dumb things that drive up phone price on iPhones, but they've been hard at work on closing this gap and making things more pricey for no reason... but generally the phones are far more durable and repairable.
* The iOS software isn't as great in many many areas (Google voice to text works far better, texting actually works to the outside world, no shared filesystem folders like "Downloads", anti-competitive behavior with other brands of smartwatches like Garmin, you can't actually turn an iPhone off, many many other artificial dumb limitations)
* but iOS is better in some areas: Google is not vacuuming up personal life and monetizing it (when google does it, its "business" when others do it, is "hacking"), iCloud clipboard sync is a neat trick if you have a Mac, iMessage on Mac is a great experience, FaceTime works pretty danged well, international eSim experience is actually quite good on iOS, iCloud keychain and sync is actually pretty good)
I think after this iPhone dies or Apple slows it down enough, I'm going to switch to GrapheneOS and figure out how to replace iOS keychain sync/clipboard sync.
I don't know about iPhone, but my Galaxy S21 doesn't turn off when you hold the power button, you need to pull down the notification area 2x (for the more detailed buttons) and turn off from there. There is an option for changing power button back to showing the power menu, but it wasn't the default (and writing this made me look for it and change it, should kinda tell you how often I actually need it...).
What I really dislike are people who say we shouldn't have a choice in the experience we want.
Landmine ahead for Apple?
I think investors would be pretty unhappy if their revenue went down by 25%.
Overall, I support these regulations, I believe that Apple reached a size and a central position in the life of too many people, at some point it needs to be controlled, coerced (or dismantled) to make sure that it doesn’t spin out of control. Same applies for the other companies targeted by the DMA, their size is just too big to allow smaller players to emerge.