I am in a similar situation. One good thing that all these deepfakes _might_ bring is that sexual extortion will not be an issue anymore because noone will believe that video is real.
Yeah: isn't this in some sense great? If you search for someone and add "naked photo" to the end and literally everyone has an infinite amount of fake porn of them, unless the people in these threads about AI generated non-porn images who think they are "helping" by suggesting crazy DRM-ridden techniques like cryptographically signed cameras, revenge porn, leaks, extortion... these are all dead as your "real" images might just as well be fake.
The benefit is that no matter what you do you (and your little girl) can always claim its just a fake.
But also consider how much changed in the last 18 years. Then think about how much may change before your baby girl is all grown up. You will have plenty of new and different things to worry about.
Are you looking at photos of other people on internet/public space? Categorical imperative in your case would be Internet/public space without any human photography. Not sure if this is the solution.
I think you're misunderstanding this turn of events, now is the best time to upload your pictures, because all pictures (and videos) are now considered suspect by default.
And it's not really avoidable I think; your face has been leaked to many places already; you'd have to be quite optimistic to think otherwise.
It's inevitable. We are in a normalization phase right now. Soon, kids will just shrug at stuff like that, because they will all know it's likely fake and therefore not care much about it.
However, I feel really bad for those who has to be the ones to go through the pain of this phase though.
Sure, it's fake, it's really nothing more than an automated artistic impression. It could always have been done by a human artist, but most people wouldn't have the skills. It's not much different to using an image editor to stick a person's head onto somebody else's body, which is so old that it's "normalized" and no longer of much interest.
We're probably, what, a year or two away from oversaturation and normalization?
It kinda seems like we're just hurtling towards a banal dystopia, where everything is hyper-real and everyone is just desensitized anyway. People on the subway just sit there, wearing their AR goggles and undressing everyone else, with their apps' horniness sliders turned up to max and porn sounds leaking out of shitty headphones. That guy across from you is whacking off again, just like last week, and you just groan, walk to the next train, and catch up on that show.
Your kid is called into the principal's office again. The bully posted nudes, so your kid posted even more nudes, with the bully and the principal doing things that someone with your lower-body flexibility never thought possible. You didn't even know that was a fetish. But ugh, not this talk again. Between the faux outrage and the condescending morality talk, they've heard it all a thousand times. It's not like the adults can do anything about it anyway. Can we go home now? This is more embarrassing than the pictures themselves.
I hope, at the end of all that, people start to consider what really matters. Which has only ever been 'local' - being right with oneself, and trying to do right with one's lived, 3d reality. Seeing technology as a tool to help, not as means of controlling others through endless distracting.
Ie, it is for the individual to reject that which is incoherent with the reality that they themselves are. One doesn't have to watch porn, one doesn't have to immerse oneself in the nonsense. Each of us has free will - one doesn't need to choose immoral nonsense, regardless of what the screens say.
It’s always been an illusion that you can draw conclusions from light that hit a film or sensor for 10 milliseconds.
Ever noticed how difficult it is to take a snapshot where all the people involved don’t have some weird expression on their faces? Well, news media have been abusing snapshots of such “weird faces“ all the time. Tesla stock down? Frowning Elon pic it is!
Let’s not even talk about fashion models or McDonald’s product photography.
AI is now just driving that hole notion ad absurdum to a point where no one can stay naive about it any longer.
I have to think that soon nobody is going to care, because that’s the only real solution.
The law should forbid/punish harassment, and children need to learn not to harass.
But the cost of generic-task photo manipulation, like this, is going to zero. We are only one browser “no cloth” plugin away from being able to surf a world of nude people.
Most people are going to take this stuff as seriously as someone drawing horns or a mustache on a picture of them.
Maybe we should just all flood the internet with fake pictures/videos of ourselves, faces on top of the most beautiful bodies that can be imagined. This way everyone seeing it will know it’s fake, and start to ignore it. I don’t really see the harm of a nude picture…
I can see teens upset about it, but maybe instead of fighting fake nudes on the internet, we should teach teens to not care so much. As a child I went to a nudist camping in the summer with my parents, and at times it was difficult. I’d walk around with a towel, or with shorts. But over time it helps you overcome seeing nude as a problem.
Yes, rather than fixing a near term tractable problem, we should figure out how to rewire kids brains so they don't feel shame at bullying, something that's been an immovable object for as long as we've cared about paying attention to kids. That's some galaxy brain thinking.
How is the problem of putting this genie back in the bottle even remotely "tractable"? Is your plan to jump on the DRM bandwagon and outlaw general purpose computers?
You can do this with software and models off GitHub quite easily. My wife and I tried it, and it inpaints a body that, while seamless and realistic, looks nothing like her own. In fact changing clothes looks much more realistic (you can do that too, with the same software). It’s gotten to the point where 4chan folks are trying to start a trend they call “DignifAI”, and put clothes onto naked pictures of women from OnlyFans and inpaint cute kids in their arms. Would that be called non-consensual dignity, I wonder?
DignifAI is probably the most hilarious result of this whole ai image gen thing. It's quite good, too. Also, apparently people get mad when they're DignifAI'd, and I don't understand why.
Images of me are not me. Getting mad because someone is thinking of me seems like a fruitless endeavor.
Distributing porn of people is quite emotional and a different story. But changing people’s clothes and adding babies seems like something that should bother no one.
But I think some people have their image linked to their identity and it’s a big deal for them.
When I first got a scanner and laser printer in the late 80s, my brother and I scanned a photo of my mom and edited her face onto a Griffin battlemech from the FASA miniature game Battletech (a 55-ton giant robot with guns and missles and stuff basically copied from Robotech).
I printed it out and gave it to her and was pretty proud of how cool it looked. But she burst into tears and was so upset the we would “do that to her.”
Totally different from my intent and expectation and how I would react. This is the first time I realized that people have very different associations of images of them and self identity.
I, for one, never expected to see something so wholesome from 4chan. It made me really contemplate the state of our society in which putting clothes on people is counterculture.
probably the same people who came up with the nudify. you're reversing the process, makes for a good sanity check / testing. plus if you can remote it you're probably most of the way there...
> It made me really contemplate the state of our society in which putting clothes on people is counterculture.
If it’s done to insult people, and dismiss their bodily autonomy, then yeah, it’s counterculture. There’s nothing wholesome about it. Like “well bless your heart” and “I’ll pray for you”, they’re intended to be insults in sheep’s clothing.
> it inpaints a body that, while seamless and realistic, looks nothing like her own.
Well, that bug is going to be fixed pretty soon, as AI learns about different body types and how to identify them from clothed images. The bar is pretty low, because the AI-generated image only needs to convince people who haven't actually seen you nude.
Sooner or later, the only way to tell whether a nude image is real or not will be to check if if it accurately reproduces hard-to-guess imperfections in locations that nobody other than your most intimate partner will ever see. Brb, gotta give the kids a cryptographically unique tattoo or something.
Yes, our society is so sick that making a pic more wholesome and removing the graphic semi-nudity is now banned, just like editing Hollywood movies to remove gratuitous profanity, nudity, and violence is illegal under US Copyright Law.
We know that media outlets want some sort of legislative process that will designate their content as truth (tm), to create a sort of moat from unsanctioned information. To get support for that, you need the stories.
This story reads like investigative journalism, but is it really? The journalism seems self-serving. Real, free investigators would research even the 'good guys' (tm) - eg they would have connected zelensky to the Panama papers or whatever other scandals there are.
It seems the media only research when it is in their favour, and yet we are meant to think they are appropriate handlers of truth. The chutzpah is quite funny.
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[ 3.1 ms ] story [ 113 ms ] threadI don’t want the internet to be an over regulated, bureaucratic mess, but the way AI is going, it might just have to be.
Deepfakes, voice clones, extremely sophisticated hacks and phishing…it looks scarier than ever.
(I am using this definition: https://www.esafety.gov.au/key-topics/image-based-abuse/deal....)
But also consider how much changed in the last 18 years. Then think about how much may change before your baby girl is all grown up. You will have plenty of new and different things to worry about.
It was a good idea, and now it's becoming an even better idea.
And it's not really avoidable I think; your face has been leaked to many places already; you'd have to be quite optimistic to think otherwise.
However, I feel really bad for those who has to be the ones to go through the pain of this phase though.
Except, of course, it's of huge interest to the target. No different than before.
It kinda seems like we're just hurtling towards a banal dystopia, where everything is hyper-real and everyone is just desensitized anyway. People on the subway just sit there, wearing their AR goggles and undressing everyone else, with their apps' horniness sliders turned up to max and porn sounds leaking out of shitty headphones. That guy across from you is whacking off again, just like last week, and you just groan, walk to the next train, and catch up on that show.
Your kid is called into the principal's office again. The bully posted nudes, so your kid posted even more nudes, with the bully and the principal doing things that someone with your lower-body flexibility never thought possible. You didn't even know that was a fetish. But ugh, not this talk again. Between the faux outrage and the condescending morality talk, they've heard it all a thousand times. It's not like the adults can do anything about it anyway. Can we go home now? This is more embarrassing than the pictures themselves.
Ie, it is for the individual to reject that which is incoherent with the reality that they themselves are. One doesn't have to watch porn, one doesn't have to immerse oneself in the nonsense. Each of us has free will - one doesn't need to choose immoral nonsense, regardless of what the screens say.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/artificial-intellige...
Ever noticed how difficult it is to take a snapshot where all the people involved don’t have some weird expression on their faces? Well, news media have been abusing snapshots of such “weird faces“ all the time. Tesla stock down? Frowning Elon pic it is!
Let’s not even talk about fashion models or McDonald’s product photography.
AI is now just driving that hole notion ad absurdum to a point where no one can stay naive about it any longer.
The law should forbid/punish harassment, and children need to learn not to harass.
But the cost of generic-task photo manipulation, like this, is going to zero. We are only one browser “no cloth” plugin away from being able to surf a world of nude people.
Most people are going to take this stuff as seriously as someone drawing horns or a mustache on a picture of them.
Distributing porn of people is quite emotional and a different story. But changing people’s clothes and adding babies seems like something that should bother no one.
But I think some people have their image linked to their identity and it’s a big deal for them.
When I first got a scanner and laser printer in the late 80s, my brother and I scanned a photo of my mom and edited her face onto a Griffin battlemech from the FASA miniature game Battletech (a 55-ton giant robot with guns and missles and stuff basically copied from Robotech).
I printed it out and gave it to her and was pretty proud of how cool it looked. But she burst into tears and was so upset the we would “do that to her.”
Totally different from my intent and expectation and how I would react. This is the first time I realized that people have very different associations of images of them and self identity.
If it’s done to insult people, and dismiss their bodily autonomy, then yeah, it’s counterculture. There’s nothing wholesome about it. Like “well bless your heart” and “I’ll pray for you”, they’re intended to be insults in sheep’s clothing.
"You're showing too much skin, harlot!"
Well, that bug is going to be fixed pretty soon, as AI learns about different body types and how to identify them from clothed images. The bar is pretty low, because the AI-generated image only needs to convince people who haven't actually seen you nude.
Sooner or later, the only way to tell whether a nude image is real or not will be to check if if it accurately reproduces hard-to-guess imperfections in locations that nobody other than your most intimate partner will ever see. Brb, gotta give the kids a cryptographically unique tattoo or something.
Yes, our society is so sick that making a pic more wholesome and removing the graphic semi-nudity is now banned, just like editing Hollywood movies to remove gratuitous profanity, nudity, and violence is illegal under US Copyright Law.
Makes it hard to appreciate any other aspect of it, when the ideology behind it is to degrade other people, unfortunately.
We know that media outlets want some sort of legislative process that will designate their content as truth (tm), to create a sort of moat from unsanctioned information. To get support for that, you need the stories.
This story reads like investigative journalism, but is it really? The journalism seems self-serving. Real, free investigators would research even the 'good guys' (tm) - eg they would have connected zelensky to the Panama papers or whatever other scandals there are.
It seems the media only research when it is in their favour, and yet we are meant to think they are appropriate handlers of truth. The chutzpah is quite funny.