Linkedin is down? Does this mean I went be able to get cold approaches from people kindly inviting me to follow their company? I won't get recruitment consultants I never heard of telling me they have all the best candidates in my area? I won't get sales people from Saas companies offering me a 'mutually beneficial' chance to join their network? How will people peddle their pithy advice on 'leadership', while getting high fives from all the other recruiters and management consultants, most of whom seem to be in their early 20's and telling me what I need?
I’m sorry, I am unable to comprehend anything you wrote because it’s missing emojis, paragraphs breaks after each sentence, a link to your company’s website, and a poignant takeaway about what resilience in the world of business means.
With the state of market as we have now it's very smart to be nice to recruters and so they will give you more and better chances. It's also a good thing to do regardless of the market.
Not disputing the fact, that linkedin is full of bullshit of course.
You could just not use LinkedIn. I consider that a feature when hiring people.
Oh, you won’t waste a bunch of time “cultivating your network” or whatever? You won’t advertise to phishers how our company is laid out? You aren’t addicted to yet another social network? All pros.
I certainly agree, and use a lack of social media presence as a positive signal for hiring.
However, it was a bit of a battle to convince the other stakeholders in the company that it should be viewed positively instead of negatively. And this is at a security company, where we have a whole open-source intelligence department!
In my last search I used Hacker News for about 90% of my applications. It worked a lot better because I usually directly interacted with hiring managers.
For all the shade we can put on cold outreaches on LinkedIn, it's not very spammy.
In contrast, I put my resume on a job board a few years ago, and I still get a lot of recruiter spam to that email.
Recruiter spam: The recruiter has never read my resume and there's no way I'd be interested or qualified for the job. I suspect the recruiter is just using some kind of automated AI / screening tool.
> For all the shade we can put on cold outreaches on LinkedIn, it's not very spammy.
By volume? Yeh, doesn't even make the top 10. But why (opposite of) quality? Occasionally, my email will have something interesting within it, sometimes my phone rings and it's not trying to get me to renew the warranty on my car, and even Facebook will sometimes have a kernel of corn in what is otherwise a turd of a feed. My skin starts crawling like there are grifters slithering up behind me though, when it's Linkedin.
In all my covering letters I finish with: "I do not maintain any social media presence, including LinkedIn, so if you have any questions please reach out to me directly."
I'm considering going back to America to teach and this has prevented me from, uh, investigating the places I could be applying to. I think the universe is telling me something...
is it really preventing anything if it just happened and will more than likely be back within a couple of hours. it might be an inconvenience to your current schedule, but if this is preventing you from doing something and you are unable to find another source for information from lack of trying, I'll be happy to not have you as a teacher.
This is really gonna put a damper on my hobby of reading the daily admonitions of wannabe CEOs who haven't held a real job in years but insist that all the best collaboration happens around water coolers in offices.
Anyone ever considered building a network attached water cooler with mic and speakers for remote workers?
It's funny, I was just about to finally give in and try premium to see if it would get me more job leads. The subscription errored out. Maybe this is a sign.
I think there might have already been a thread on this recently, but just what are y'all using these days to look for new jobs? Has the hiring process degraded to the point where it's just the same groups of people networking and hiring each other back and forth because public hiring is too onerous?
The hiring process is absolutely, completely, and utterly broken. The moment a new job is posted there are already hundreds of applicants--more likely thousands, although LinkedIn only says "100+," essentially. All the recently laid off, the desperate H-1Bs, etc. are flooding the seeking market with supply. Good candidates are lost in the noise of application spam. It's gross.
I'm personally being really bitten by this. I have a very unique combination of experience but due to the use of "AI" and applicant tracking systems, combined with job postings that are nothing more than 50+ bullet points, there is no chance for a human to see my uniqueness before I'm filtered out for some arbitrary reason. I'm actually worried about not being able to find work in the industry again at this point.
Might as well self-promote[1]: 23+ years of experience in all kinds of software dev, cloud, DevOps, security, even executive advisor and digital transformation. Interested in remote. I give a good interview and I'm an authentic person. Reach out to me if you have something that might fit.
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[ 2.9 ms ] story [ 120 ms ] threadNot disputing the fact, that linkedin is full of bullshit of course.
Oh, you won’t waste a bunch of time “cultivating your network” or whatever? You won’t advertise to phishers how our company is laid out? You aren’t addicted to yet another social network? All pros.
However, it was a bit of a battle to convince the other stakeholders in the company that it should be viewed positively instead of negatively. And this is at a security company, where we have a whole open-source intelligence department!
I think you and I are in the vast, vast minority.
Sadly, there aren't any other reasonable options with regards to job searches and candidate advertising than LinkedIn.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39562986
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39562984
In my last search I used Hacker News for about 90% of my applications. It worked a lot better because I usually directly interacted with hiring managers.
In contrast, I put my resume on a job board a few years ago, and I still get a lot of recruiter spam to that email.
Recruiter spam: The recruiter has never read my resume and there's no way I'd be interested or qualified for the job. I suspect the recruiter is just using some kind of automated AI / screening tool.
I doubt it. If a human hadn't read your profile, how could they possibly be so impressed by your background?
By volume? Yeh, doesn't even make the top 10. But why (opposite of) quality? Occasionally, my email will have something interesting within it, sometimes my phone rings and it's not trying to get me to renew the warranty on my car, and even Facebook will sometimes have a kernel of corn in what is otherwise a turd of a feed. My skin starts crawling like there are grifters slithering up behind me though, when it's Linkedin.
New phone.
It's important but not nearly as important as you seem to think.
The Facebook outage yesterday probably caused an order of magnitude more economic damage than the total economic cost of the houthis cutting a cable.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39612443
:-)
if that's a joke, boy, I don't know
Anyone ever considered building a network attached water cooler with mic and speakers for remote workers?
I think there might have already been a thread on this recently, but just what are y'all using these days to look for new jobs? Has the hiring process degraded to the point where it's just the same groups of people networking and hiring each other back and forth because public hiring is too onerous?
I'm personally being really bitten by this. I have a very unique combination of experience but due to the use of "AI" and applicant tracking systems, combined with job postings that are nothing more than 50+ bullet points, there is no chance for a human to see my uniqueness before I'm filtered out for some arbitrary reason. I'm actually worried about not being able to find work in the industry again at this point.
Might as well self-promote[1]: 23+ years of experience in all kinds of software dev, cloud, DevOps, security, even executive advisor and digital transformation. Interested in remote. I give a good interview and I'm an authentic person. Reach out to me if you have something that might fit.
[1] https://www.linkedin.com/in/nathan-alden-sr/