Ask HN: What if the NSA is Satoshi Nakamoto (anagram of I AM A HOST TO NSA OK)?

5 points by keepamovin ↗ HN
They, and more broadly the US defense/intelligence orgs at the time were working on things to enable covert communications and commerce. Such as encrypted messaging apps, and TOR. These tools can be useful for supporting agents.

The NSA had the capability, and the motivation. How plausible is this theory?

There's also the anagram

I AM A HOST TO NSA OK

And this paper from 1996: How to make a mint: The Cryptography of Anonymous Electronic Cash, Laurie Law, Susan Sabett, Jerry Solinas, NSA Office of Information Security Research and Technology, Cryptology Division, https://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/classes/6.805/articles/money/nsamint/nsamint.htm

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Well, they even have the right abbreviation :-)
Exactly, the Japanese initial N.SA haha :)
Certainly a better way to make money for covert ops than cocaine.
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I’m happy someone pointed out that the NSA has the resources and ability and incentives to create and control crypto currencies. Similar to how they cracked German and Japanese codes during WWII, when the big fiscal crisis begins, I predict the shoe will drop.
Not an expert, but... The WWII German codes were mostly broken by the British GC&CS at Bletchley Park. While breaking the Japanese codes was the US Navy's signals intelligence folks (with quite a bit of foreign help).

Vs. the NSA was only created in the 1950's, out of the SIS - which was very closely associated with the US Army.

If it isn't so, some at the NSA might be kicking themselves for not having done it.
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> How plausible is this theory?

Points to consider:

- How easily could a real "Satoshi Nakamoto", working alone, perform the tasks which mainstream Bitcoin history attributes to him?

- How many vaguely-similar-to-founding-Bitcoin things are known to have been done by reclusive/secretive loners?

- How similar is "secretly founding Bitcoin" to known or reasonably suspected operations done by the NSA, or similar intel agencies?

- Why would NSA management sign off on a pseudonym that was such a convenient anagram?

- Given some of the history - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satoshi_Nakamoto#Characteristi... - why aren't you asking "What if GCHQ is Satoshi Nakamoto?".

- How useful is Bitcoin, really, for the Western intelligence community? Vs. various "former Communist Block" countries.

Fair questions.

- Not easily, but possible for a genius perhaps.

- Linus Torvalds, Einstein, Grothendieck, Zuck.

  First two points is why the loner theory has legs. It's compelling, satisfies the "lone hero" narrative impulse. But maybe that's why it's lasted so long, and maybe that's even why it was designed that way as cover.
- From a financial point of view, Idk. I'm not up on my subversive/combatant commerce history as may have been performed by DoD/intel. But from a tech point of view? Similar to the development, analysis release of sophisticated hashes and ciphers that became widely adopted. Similar in use to other cipher tools that came from the same places around the same time: TOR, encrypted messaging apps.

- Good point. But it could cut 3 ways: 1) "so stupid it couldn't be us", 2) "so provocative we don't care if you know" / "we never intended it to be a secret, we assumed everyone would figure it out and laugh at the ridiculous of 'Satoshi Nakamoto' -- instead they revered him and turned this fiction into an idol."; 3) "deliberate misattribution by another actor probably a cryptologic agency"

- I don't find the peppering of a few Britishisms to be as compelling as the tech history alignment in the DoD/IC at the time (TOR, encrypted messaging apps, research into crypto currencies), tho maybe there's more to the GCHQ angle than that? And I'm not up on British history, maybe they had more motivation to create an 'alt digital reserve'? Fits with London being a fin powerhouse, I guess. Superficially there's also the GHCQ created it but disguised attribution with Britishisms and NSA anagram. Not that intriguing but could become more so with additional factoids. :)

- Idk. I assume it's useful for agents to receive payment, and anonymously purchase supplies, and goes in the bag with encrypted communications. If DoD/intel had focus on a lot of HUMINT and covert subversion/influence then they'd need to run thousands of agents worldwide, this could be a very useful tool for that arm of US power. Scale seems reasonable post-9/11, and around the Arab spring and other color revolutions. But Idk, just speculation.

Many of these uses would also be valid for commies too. The utility to all sides does not weigh heavily on an assessment of origin. I think the timing and tech antecedents, and motivation, play strongly into the hand of it being an NSA-CIA creation.

Maybe it was like Bill buying DOS. Maybe there was an inventor, just he or she didn't end up playing that large a part once other, possibly more ambitious, focused, aggressive or perceptive, players got involved! Haha :)

Given all these questions, sir, what is your assessment? Or are you only content to be up in there in the stands, rather than on the field? :)

edit: I just thought of a new acronym - OK I AM HOT NSA SOTA hahaha! :)

> Given all these questions, sir, what is your assessment?

I'll say that Satoshi Nakamoto was a cover identity fabricated by Nvidia's Covert Demand Stimulation Dept. After all, who has profited more from the popularity of BitCoin?

/s?

Haha, and I hoped you were being serious! Could have been interesting
Bitcoin was probably created by NVIDIA to give greater purpose to their graphics cards.
CHyeah, if they had a time machine. Second order effects.