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As if this was the only problem with them, such machines are incapable of flight in general.
Neither can bumblebees, and yet...
Starting flapping in that orientation may give very good control over forward/backward forces until you're ready to lift off. Once they lift off, the blades are too fast to observe, so they may well apply an additional rotation. Mechanically, they're clearly capable of such movement.
The forward wings produce forward-high to rear-low airflow, while the rear wing produces a rear-high to forward-low flow. Those join in the middle to a top-down flow.
Assuming that they're capable of changing the wing angle of attack, they seem to be doing the same motions that dragonfly wings make during flight, including take-off. Here is a slow motion video of one taking off (note the vertical motion of the wings): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOc8WTzMljw
I got curious when I read this comment https://twitter.com/BrunoPresents/status/1779373530951360622 and did some research.

I found a Nature article: https://www.nature.com/articles/521S64a

Their flight mechanism is amazingly sophisticated (and efficient, cf the experiment showing that bees can fly at height above Mount Everest and below sea level, which is nuts) but it seems it has nothing to do with some "vibrational field".

If someone here knows more about this, definitely share!

Does the universe have surface tension? Oooohhhhmmmmmm.
Arguing with the physics of Dune is like taking issue with the way time travel works in Back to the Future.

Still suits honestly have the more glaring issue, and that's one that's apparent not just on film, but in the original text as well.

Anyway, it's not science fiction; it's space fantasy. Let it be.

It’s IMO more interesting to look for reasons that something could be consistent than try and point out issues like this.

Still suits could have some ‘sci-fi’ scale thermal battery assuming Arrakis gets cold at night. You could get warm enough during exercise the body starts to sweat while the suit generally feels cool in the sun and sufficently warm at night.

The sequence shown is clearly intended precisely to highlight the reality of the ornithopters, being a variant of those sequences in war movies that just show cool shots of real things being prepared for a mission.

Since the movie chooses to depict these sci-fi elements with that type of images of, I think it is fair to scrutiny them for realism.

But your ok with worm juice opening up ancestral memories?
I’m pretty sure Dune is fiction.

BBC has plenty of documentaries if fiction upsets you.

Pedants angsting over the reality of fiction does spoil the fiction so best to ignore such peoples laments about how things are unrealistic.

Dune is not fiction, I saw the video footage myself.
Well if it’s a documentary then how the wings flap is important, and not spoiling the fun with pedantry.
A friend of a friend who is an ornithopter mechanic says it has something to do with unobtanium. TBH, I thought it was boring, so I quit listening, and this spicy bird was telling us about her desert religion thing.

I was a bit drunk on spiced rum.

In the morning you woke up in a troop transporter on the way to another planet as part of a jahid...
Just wave your hands and say “Holtzman” effect, to get back to the story. This bothers you but the shields don’t?
I suspect if this bothers them many things bother them about the science in these movies.
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I suspend my disbelief by thinking that it's quite possible they made different scientific discoveries than we did. Either different order of discovery, different constraints or things we still haven't figured out. That allows for engineering that looks different to what we are used to but if we knew every detail of how they worked it would make sense.
The scene in the movie where they're first shown:

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yT4nVWs7434

Somewhat related, the sound design team (who won an Oscar for their work) used cats purring, beetles fluttering, and the canvas strap of a tent in a 100mph wind for the sound of the ornithopters (at 2m40s)

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-v2pbKWIV_g

Also, for the desert mouse (muad'dib) they used a Swedish baby red squirrel (named Baby Pear); interview with the person who originally recorded the squirrel (Dani Connor):

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtfzjehDg74