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SEO and Ads already made Google Search bad way prior to AI.
Yet it wasn't that bad, all they had to do is use machine learning for obvious clones and malware detection.
on the other hand, LLMs are often better then Google.
IMO, Google Search is a dead product. Not immediately maybe, but at least for 90% of my work, it has been replaced by Bing CoPilot and similar solutions.

I don't go look for images anymore, I just create new ones with ComfyUI. I don't query for Stackoverflow, I do code analysis with Starcoder. I don't check for lyrics or similar, I just use vanilla chatgpt it.

I still use (duck duck go) search and ofc documentation to find what I need - in my kind of field (c++) AIs are terrible because the problems are pretty much never trivial.

Its not a dead product just because companies are selling you a solution that works better for you - it becomes a dead product once there is a better solution nearly everyone uses.

What do you use for a ComfyUI config?

I got out of imagegen a while ago but it does seem pretty advanced compared to AUTOMATIC's original UI (and cloud imagegen is just derivative and inflexible..)

I like it for the workflow, easy configuration, and the drag-and-drop workflow rebuilding.
I see this sentiment a lot on here, always with a vague intimation that it's a widespread thing. But it is just so far out of sync with the way I use search I just can't wrap my head around it.

You say 90% of you usage, but then describe the sorts of things that make up only a tiny fraction of mine. 90% of mine, maybe more, is just very quickly looking up basic facts. Was this the same actress from that other show? How many Xs to a Y? What was the exact wording of that quote and who said it? Where's that one store? I do this, I dunno, probably dozens? of times a day.

Are you saying you use it for that kind of purpose? I don't think I would trust any LLM's answers to those kinds of questions -- at least, not to exclusively handle all of them, on an ongoing basis. Even if it's only making up bullshit 5% of the time, after long enough that means I have no idea which 5% of my knowledge is wrong. Unless I'm double checking the information elsewhere, in which case what's the point?

Meanwhile Google still supplies the right answer for those simple, basic facts immediately like 99% of the time. A lot of the time right there in a snippet where I also instantly know the attribution. Even if we perfectly solved hallucination, the friction to get it from one of these chatbots is still so much higher. Harder to get to, so much slower.

While this might be true to some extend, Google screwed the pooch long before AI by selling out to their marketing team over user interests and satisfaction.
Yup, just like Boeing ditched the leadership steeped in engineering for leadership steeped in Excel.
Racing over each other to win the Jack Welch Corporate Destruction Award.
This might be something of a technicality but I doubt it was their marketing team who is at fault. If it’s over-monetization of search results that you have a problem with as I do, it’s more likely to have been product leaders with aggressive monetization targets.
The people saying LLMs are better than google: Say you turn off your internet, is a local LLM better than having a few MB of files (all of wikipedia, all of your language's and all packages' documentation, etc.) downloaded? Why is that not an approach youre taking?
Who said it’s not. I’m trying to go in that direction
zeal is a good app for local documentation in times of no internet. it's not very good if you're not just looking up something you know the name of, though
Oh yeah, I love Zeal. Also manpages can be nice, and ripgrep and fzf are good for searching local files
I'd really use an LLM where you kinda explain a concept and it gives you back all of the names and jargon linked to it.

The current crop of them were great at this for a few months. For some reason, they are not good anymore.

There's no reason why people are down voting your comment. Excellent software like Dash makes finding code documentation offline easy. You'll still need online search for things you're not regularly looking up, but offline resources would save a lot of time for people who habitually put everything into Google.
Solving complex problems often means piecing together parts of a research to obtain an understanding of the issue. This any AI can't do. Chatbots are ok for trivial stuff.
It wasn't AI that made google search bad. It was SEO and google's acceptance paywalled sites like linkedin showing google one document and visitors another document.
SEO was/is a good thing because it made search a lot better for many years. The real problem are the individuals gaming/abusing the hell out of the system. Add AI content to the mix and I do fear it's a problem that can't be sorted out by Google Search, at least as how we know it now.

It still has its uses and I personally still turn to it (well DuckDuckGo usually) to find specific things. But like all things, it's one tool that serves a certain purpose.

I don't remember SEO ever making search better.
Exactly. There's been a lot of easy to identify trash on Google for a very long time that they haven't bothered to deal with. I bet it's partly because they rely too much on metrics. "Oooo lots of people clicked on the clickbait! They must want more!"
That was definitely a major factor in making things suck, but I don't think it (nor LLMs) were required for the rise of annoying content-farm sites.
I’ve been defaulting to Reddit for a long time and I’m shocked at how good search is on TikTok for the right topics. The fact that Google so prominently and commonly surfaces “[query] Reddit” as a suggested search says a lot.
What kind of searches are you doing on TikTok?
Seems like a click-bait title as Google Search was long gone before the AI spam, as noted by several people. AI will just accelerate the toxicity of SEO
Its not gone, because there is no much stronger replacement yet.
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[Recycled from related submission] For your amusement, a relevant music-video titled "The current state of search engines" [0]

    Yes, I know about the quotes
    I know about the dash and OR
    It's all ass
    Google doesn't work... Anymore

    I have to add the word "Reddit" 
    To every goddamn search to read 
    Content made by humans
    Google doesn't work... Anymore

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrFv1O4dbqY
Article from February 2024. Thanks OP

Clump it in with the twenty other posts about the same thing.

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For many searches I'm using Chat GPT now. No ads, cleaner, text only, I can ask follow up questions.

I can't ask (yet) what's the weather today or Champions League matches today. Also I know it might has errors, but Google Search first results are doubtful this days.

I look up some searches that I did on Chat GPT lately:

- Types of leucemia

- Miles davis discography

- Hour difference between Buenos Aires and Bogotá

- What's Romeo and Juliet is about

It is great to me. Besides TikTok and Reddit I will add Chat GPT to the Google Search list of current threats.

It's AI on GOOGLE'S END ITSELF that's making their product worse.

Search results are endlessly optimized for a mean, but everyone has some tail-end subject they want to search more specifically which google's search-AI just seems to get worse and worse with. (Here on HN it's coding/engineering/tech)

AI didn't make Google search bad. That's way, way off the mark. Google made Google search bad.
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"The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated"

* Google is declared dying, because SEO is invented

* Google is declared dying, because users add site:stackoverflow.com

* Google is declared dying, because users add site:reddit.com

* Google is declared dying, because an ambitious paid search engine is emerging

* Google is declared dying, because Bing adds AI, and Google does not

* Google is declared dying, because websites add AI-generated content

* Google is declared dying, because Google actually adds AI

<- you are here

I was going to say on any HN thread about Google search the top comments are usually that it's all broken but it seems to work mostly fine for my purposes. OK it's not perfect but nothing is. Also if it's broken why does it have 90%+ share? I occasionally try other ones and they are worse in some ways. Even the sainted Kagi - I wanted to know something trivial and it wouldn't tell me without creating an account with name and email so I thought sod that and googled it.

It actually has some remarkably good features that it didn't in the early days. If you are looking for a physical place you can get reviews of it, a street view of the outside, travel directions and so on pretty easily.

I can recall being thwarted once in the last year or so when I was trying to figure what brand of tooth fillings I'd had and the search was filled with general dental info rather than filling brands which is more of a dental trade thing. ChatGPT was way better on that (was sonicfill). Apart from that mostly good.