We really believe that making real social application is indeed possible. We also believe that the recruiting system is broken. This is our first step to jailbreak it!
Seems fun. I signed up. However, in Chrome on Ubuntu I couldn't fill out the email form field, and when I logged into my android phone (you'll have an app for that too right?), it wasn't mobile responsive and I had to zoom in and swipe left and right to see the page.
I'd say I'd like to help, but it's been 5 years since I've used any Java. My only decent languages are scripting ones - python and php as well as JavaScript (mediocre).
I think this is a good idea but the more popular you get the more filtering you need. If 1000 hire-ees want to meet for coffee how will the hirer filter them?
Well I guess I like the idea from the hire-ee perspective. But isn't it a bad deal for the hirer? How does he know I'm even worth talking to? The most valuable asset we have is time and you are asking people running companies to give a lot of it away.
Agreed. We're working on a ranking and reputation algorithm that will only show the best Coders for the Startups. We don't want to waste anyone's time, on both sides.
The key is finding the best fit, not only the "best" Coders. People try to use numbers to evaluate candidates, but at the end of the day, we're all human.
The funny thing is, this is the only reason I would want to use the app. Once they have filtering implemented, I might as well just find an alternate means of communication (friend on the inside, cocktail parties, etc).
Maybe flip the question around, how will good coders stay free of getting hounded by headhunters and abusive clients?
I made a mobile web app about six months ago, and this is what I heard over and over again from users: "Can you please please please make it a native app?"
Just to get our feet wet, my partner and I proceeded to write two simple iPhone apps. The first did 10x better than our mobile web app (with much less effort), and the second did 100x better. That was enough to convince us, and now we've shelved mobile web development in favor of iOS development.
That's just a personal anecdote, of course. I can't speak for the guys (or gals) behind Coder's Coffee. Overall, though, I think this is responsible for a lot of the interest we're seeing in iOS development.
It also helps that Apple has done a great job with XCode and the iOS SDK. Developing for iOS is really a pleasure.
You missed my point, ironically by perpetuating the obsession around mobile.
I meant why can't it just be a regular desktop webapp. E.g. not require a phone to access.
I don't really see myself sitting in a coffee shop thinking "I want to chat with a business guy right now", and pulling out my phone to see if any are sitting within 10 feet of me.
Granted, the app being mobile (and geo!) is probably 10x more likely to get VC investment right now; I'm just saying that, personally, I would be planning stuff like this more deliberately while sitting at my desktop/laptop than while killing time on the subway.
I don't think their product is ready at all. I came back using Chrome and failed again (Method not allowed with an UGLY error). I had to punt to Safari before I could get it to take my email address.
405 Method Not Allowed
Code: MethodNotAllowed
Message: The specified method is not allowed against this resource.
ResourceType: OBJECT
Method: POST
RequestId: 3A55FAAF9B44B42E
HostId: FYBUd4PTAHdDYU5mnv90iACQzydwnT5ucmvqW5bAgeHmNBk2BqklC9Ni6PsCa+ki
Chrome 19.0.1084.46 m
Oh well, I guess I won't be hearing about this product launch. This certainly doesn't reflect well on your vendor, http://launchrock.com/ , given that their services seem to consist of 1. landing page creation & hosting and 2. collecting email addresses, and the second (extremely technically simple) task fails completely.
lol wtf does this do? I know talent is tight in the valley right now but surely you can find someone who can write a meaningful splash page. I don't think my iphone servers coffee.
Nice. I'm not interested in joining a startup, but meeting local fellow geeks for coffee or lunch to shoot the breeze would be awesome... kind of like a GeekGrindr :)
This kind of thing makes me wish I lived in the valley, or in the US in general, I feel like I'm missing out. Any app that requires other people near you using it too is essentially useless to me.
The idea seems appealing but as many "dating" apps it won't work:
People want to meet new people all the time, the more the better and preferably close to their own personality. The problem is: if you just say, 'hey guys, you should meet up, you are both coders, you should like each other' or in a real dating environment, 'hey guys, just meet, you are both singles' it won't work.
People need some guidance, some hook and reason why to meet and more important what to talk to each other, small talk without setting people into context won't work. This app is missing the hook to meet up, just grabbing a coffee together because both code in similar languages is no sufficient plug or starter.
Examples that work:
- On a typical network event you have small hooks like the presentations shown. There're great starters to get into small talk and carry on with deeper conversations later. This environment leaves the agenda open about who you talk to and what you talk about. That's good and keeps conversations and new encounters thrilling.
- On a hackerthon you have even stronger hooks because you have to work together or you just have a very good reason to talk to each other—mingling will happen automatically and excitement wil be at its max because everything is new (people, context, tech) and you face a challenge which you have to solve in a short time which makes it even more thrilling. The stronger these kind of excitements are the stronger the initial bonding will be between the participants after the event. And this bonding is everbody's goal: not just meeting random people for coffee but meeting like-minded people in order to build strong relationships with them. Or to put it another way: the context (=> the event/guide/task/excitement) is the actual cause for strong bondings and relationships and not similar personalities or preferred languages. Interactions between people are context and behavior driven and not because of similar profiles.
You have to give people a task, a mission. Just telling them to meet and talk will make them feel awkward.
Thanks for the awesome feedback, we agree it seems like a dating app, and we'll have to work hard to overcome any awkwardness and craft the best experience possible. Our focus is on finding Coders in Silicon Valley, but our big idea is much much bigger. Hope we can solve all the problems you've brought up.
You would thinking that cute intelligent alpha male buying you coffee while the two of you pleasantly chat would be enough for people.
Also, as a potential employee, you can skip the standard application process and HR interviews (maybe they will have a formal interview process later) of most companies talk with a guy who is very likely going to be your boss should you get hired. This with almost no time investment on your side and your free to say your not interested and leave. Let me know next time your at a coffee shop in Florida. And I don't even like coffee.
For me there is a good chance that once you meet up with someone the conversation will go smoothly, as long as there's a fit, and that's what you are looking for using this app. The founder can talk about the project and see how the coder could fit. And if there's not a good fit there, is always great to know new people and know what's happening around :)
The startup ecosystem in Brazil is growing nicely. I would suggest you get some practical experience, working on your own projects or joining some others. Just build stuff, learn as much as possible. Non-technical people just need to do anything/everything else to make the business work.
Hope we can help you find a great startup in the future!
Technical: Good knowledge of a typical web stack or mobile development or both
Non-tech: Not much, you have just to show that your are ambitious and somebody who gets things done (or finishs them)
With good technical knowledge you do not need connections. Just get familiar with a technology, you like build some nice private projects and apply/go to networking events.
Regarding tech: demand for iOS devs is always high, Anroid too and for the web stack I'd recommend either Python/Django or Node.js/Express which are both easy to learn
I think your homepage could stand to explain the fundamentals of your app a little better. It took some browsing around to figure out what the app could actually do. Might be nice to have a brief sales pitch and some bullet points.
Something like:
Coders: Recruiting for your startup? Looking for a gig? Download Coder's Coffee and we will hook you up!
Sorry, but what the hell is a 'software artificer'?
If you look at how the word 'artifice' is used, it is generally negative, associated with being overly clever for the purposes of pretense, or generally false/insincere.
So if I'm not sure the job title 'software artificer' even parses. 'A person who writes unnecessarily ornate/impractical software.'
I hope I can write in whatever job title I want. It will be 'guy who may not have shaved in a couple of days, has had too much caffeine, and is grumbling incoherently at his laptop screen.'
While it may be technically valid, artifice in modern usage is probably most commonly associated with deception & fakery. So, as a job title, I'd say it sounds pretentious and a bit out of touch, like someone who right clicked on the word "engineer" and espoused an adventitious synonym in order to have the earmarks of sagacity.
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I'd say I'd like to help, but it's been 5 years since I've used any Java. My only decent languages are scripting ones - python and php as well as JavaScript (mediocre).
Well I guess I like the idea from the hire-ee perspective. But isn't it a bad deal for the hirer? How does he know I'm even worth talking to? The most valuable asset we have is time and you are asking people running companies to give a lot of it away.
Maybe flip the question around, how will good coders stay free of getting hounded by headhunters and abusive clients?
Just to get our feet wet, my partner and I proceeded to write two simple iPhone apps. The first did 10x better than our mobile web app (with much less effort), and the second did 100x better. That was enough to convince us, and now we've shelved mobile web development in favor of iOS development.
That's just a personal anecdote, of course. I can't speak for the guys (or gals) behind Coder's Coffee. Overall, though, I think this is responsible for a lot of the interest we're seeing in iOS development.
It also helps that Apple has done a great job with XCode and the iOS SDK. Developing for iOS is really a pleasure.
You missed my point, ironically by perpetuating the obsession around mobile.
I meant why can't it just be a regular desktop webapp. E.g. not require a phone to access.
I don't really see myself sitting in a coffee shop thinking "I want to chat with a business guy right now", and pulling out my phone to see if any are sitting within 10 feet of me.
Granted, the app being mobile (and geo!) is probably 10x more likely to get VC investment right now; I'm just saying that, personally, I would be planning stuff like this more deliberately while sitting at my desktop/laptop than while killing time on the subway.
Artifice: "Clever or cunning devices or expedients, esp. as used to trick or deceive others: 'artifice and outright fakery'."
Not necessarily the greatest way to describe yourself...
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/artificer?s=t
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificer
Oh well, I guess I won't be hearing about this product launch. This certainly doesn't reflect well on your vendor, http://launchrock.com/ , given that their services seem to consist of 1. landing page creation & hosting and 2. collecting email addresses, and the second (extremely technically simple) task fails completely.
A ChessGrindr would also be another cool idea!
GeekGrindr sounds painful. ;)
(for those of us who are under the legal drinking age and dislike coffee)
FWIW, my dad grew up a few blocks from the pin shown on the map.
People want to meet new people all the time, the more the better and preferably close to their own personality. The problem is: if you just say, 'hey guys, you should meet up, you are both coders, you should like each other' or in a real dating environment, 'hey guys, just meet, you are both singles' it won't work.
People need some guidance, some hook and reason why to meet and more important what to talk to each other, small talk without setting people into context won't work. This app is missing the hook to meet up, just grabbing a coffee together because both code in similar languages is no sufficient plug or starter.
Examples that work:
- On a typical network event you have small hooks like the presentations shown. There're great starters to get into small talk and carry on with deeper conversations later. This environment leaves the agenda open about who you talk to and what you talk about. That's good and keeps conversations and new encounters thrilling.
- On a hackerthon you have even stronger hooks because you have to work together or you just have a very good reason to talk to each other—mingling will happen automatically and excitement wil be at its max because everything is new (people, context, tech) and you face a challenge which you have to solve in a short time which makes it even more thrilling. The stronger these kind of excitements are the stronger the initial bonding will be between the participants after the event. And this bonding is everbody's goal: not just meeting random people for coffee but meeting like-minded people in order to build strong relationships with them. Or to put it another way: the context (=> the event/guide/task/excitement) is the actual cause for strong bondings and relationships and not similar personalities or preferred languages. Interactions between people are context and behavior driven and not because of similar profiles.
You have to give people a task, a mission. Just telling them to meet and talk will make them feel awkward.
Thanks for the awesome feedback, we agree it seems like a dating app, and we'll have to work hard to overcome any awkwardness and craft the best experience possible. Our focus is on finding Coders in Silicon Valley, but our big idea is much much bigger. Hope we can solve all the problems you've brought up.
Tell us more!
Also, as a potential employee, you can skip the standard application process and HR interviews (maybe they will have a formal interview process later) of most companies talk with a guy who is very likely going to be your boss should you get hired. This with almost no time investment on your side and your free to say your not interested and leave. Let me know next time your at a coffee shop in Florida. And I don't even like coffee.
What skills (tech and non-technical) and connection do you think I must have to work in a early stage startup?
Hope we can help you find a great startup in the future!
Non-tech: Not much, you have just to show that your are ambitious and somebody who gets things done (or finishs them)
With good technical knowledge you do not need connections. Just get familiar with a technology, you like build some nice private projects and apply/go to networking events.
Regarding tech: demand for iOS devs is always high, Anroid too and for the web stack I'd recommend either Python/Django or Node.js/Express which are both easy to learn
The earlier you start the better, so go for it!
Something like:
Coders: Recruiting for your startup? Looking for a gig? Download Coder's Coffee and we will hook you up!
[bullet points/features explained here]
If you look at how the word 'artifice' is used, it is generally negative, associated with being overly clever for the purposes of pretense, or generally false/insincere.
So if I'm not sure the job title 'software artificer' even parses. 'A person who writes unnecessarily ornate/impractical software.'
I hope I can write in whatever job title I want. It will be 'guy who may not have shaved in a couple of days, has had too much caffeine, and is grumbling incoherently at his laptop screen.'
Yeats - It knows not what it is; and gather me Into the artifice of eternity
Joyce - Old father, old artificer, stand me now and ever in good stead.
Also, see below re: 'artificer' as a word.
grumble code grumble twitch grumble code
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificer