Welcome to the world of Opera users. Google is being dick as always, just ignore it (sometimes you have to change user-agent though). They have their valid reasons (money).
Google gives money to Mozilla (and to Opera). They basically pay for users using the search. They want to avoid the risk of Microsoft (or anyone else really) paying more than they want to afford. I think Opera had bing as a default search in some of the recent versions. Also, with Chrome they encourage users to search more (instant search) => more ads, more money.
Oh yes, I totally forgot Instant Search. So if I understood you correctly, Google gives Mozilla money to set the home page to Google.com and not the other way around. I guess that makes more sense that way.
I feel a little bit mixed being that Google seems to be using this to market Chrome.
I have the latest version of Firefox and Safari and Google is informing me that I need a modern browser to experience it, which actually seems to just be Chrome.
It also seems pretty much bullshit, I opened the page in chrome and the doodle doesn't seem to do anything but link to the "Bob Moog" search in either browser.
Agree. Google nuked Firefox is what really just happened. It was really fun, while Google was using its home page powers to mock IE for missing features, but I am on Firefox Beta Update channel and they tell me to "upgrade to a modern browser". It is disappointing.
They are as bad as Microsoft now. Microsoft used to show the "upgrade to a modern browser" banners to everyone. At least now they can actually say it's modern, before it was linking to IE8.
At least playing my own records works. I don't have a link to someone elses so I can't test it. They seem to have slightly changed the player though, from the last time I checked. There was no arrow pointing at the keys for instance.
Adding to my previous: it works _and_ there is no upgrade notification.
Funny enough, it worked perfectly in Firefox 12.0 and was nothing but an image in Chrome 16.0. After upgrading to 19 it worked equally well. Shows how much I use Chrome I guess.
Thing is, sound support (WebAudio or HTML5 <audio> alone) is not a priority for most browsers, Firefox included. I like that Google is so aggressive - maybe some of the other browser vendors will begin to care.
I ranted about the <audio> element quite a while ago[1] and many points are still valid. Also, <audio> can't be used for "dynamic" sound at all. Chrome's/Safari's WebAudio is the way to and Mozilla agrees, but hasn't done anything implementation wise.
Which is fine of course. But if you already test features a la modernizr then use that power for good and tell me that my browser (which is very modern, thank you very much) lacks support for X, maybe 'audio'.
It's the words I'm annoyed by, not the fact that it doesn't work. Chrome is crap in my world (entirely subjective opinion) and branding it as the only 'modern' piece of kit is.. just the same.
Ironically on my shitty HP Windows XP machine at work it is working better (but not perfect, especially multitrack playing) on Firefox than Chrome (sound stuttering).
I believe it falls back to Flash if you don't have the appropriate browser audio API. It should still work but supposedly not as responsively/accurately. (I haven't tested this myself.)
[Posted this earlier today when it turned up on google.com.au, but the thread had falled off the front page by the time I posted it. I thought people might find this interesting now that it's back.]
The doodle is reminiscent of a Minimoog [1], but with several simplifications to make programming easier and more musical.
The large knob at the left is overall level (which does not equate to silence at its minimum setting, probably for UI simplicity). The three knobs to the right govern the volume of 3 individual oscillators.
Oscillator section
The leftmost 3 knobs define the pitch octave range for each of the three oscillators. LO is a subsonic frequency mainly used for modulation purposes in real life. #2', 16', 8' etc. refer to the length, in feet, of the pipe on a pipe organ that will produce tones of that frequency. A 32 foot long pipe produces a very deep bass tone (about 16 Hz, probably sounds like noise on most speakers), a 16 foot pipe produces a tone exactly one octave higher, and so forth. There are no 64 foot pipes that I know of, hence the LO setting. It's not possible on this little synth, but normally you would use those super-low frequencies as modulation sources for other things. The two knobs in the center allow tuning of the oscillators across a 2-octave range. Really, this ought to be graduated in semitones. If you turn down the center oscillator and put the other two on identical settings, you should, in theory, get the same sound only twice as loud, but the doodle is a little bit buggy and sometimes pegs one oscillator an octave above or below the other. It's easiest to just reload periodically. On a real-life analog synth of that generation, the oscillators would drift out of tune and need to be calibrated periodically; also, the tuning would change as the machine warmed up over the first half-hour or so of operation, so early electronic keyboard players often had difficulty staying in tune with the band. It was this pitch instability that caused everyone to rush towards digital synthesis at the end of the 1970s, although nowadays you can get very stable analog oscillators.
The rightmost 3 knobs set the shape for each oscillator; triangle, saw, inverse saw, and pulse waves with 10%, 25% and 50% duty cycles respectively. I think there is something amiss with the display of the saw waves on oscillators 1 & 2. Saw vs. inverse saw makes no difference on a single oscillator but where you have 2 or 3 choosing different directions for the wave can lead to interesting textures. The shape of the oscillator affects the harmonic content thereof. A triangle wave sounds very close to a sine wave - a piercing pure tone - while being computationally inexpensive. (Stable sine waves are surprisingly hard to generate on the fly unless you have a lot of DSP power, and even digital synthesizer manufacturers often cheat by using lookup tables for sine waves rather than generating them.) A saw waves contains all possible harmonics and is a good basis for brassy sounds like those of trumpets. Square waves (pulse waves with a 50% duty cycle) sound 'hollow' because they only have odd harmonics, and are a good basis for synthesizing woodwind sounds, where the absorbent nature of the material dulls the sound somewhat. Combining pulse waves of different duty cycle can lead to texturally interesting effects, although this is much more noticeable when the length of the duty cycle can be modulated, as opposed to merely switched.
Filter section
Something has gone terribly terribly wrong here, because this does not behave like any Moog synthesizer I have ever used. The top left knob controls the filter cutoff of a low pass filter, ie the frequency above which higher harmonics will be cut off. This is sort of like the effect you get if you sing a continuous AAAAAH tone with your mouth open and then gradually close your lips. Normally the knob tot he immediate right could con...
PS I was (superficially) acquainted with Robert Moog as I used to work in the synth biz and would meet him at trade shows sometimes. He would have been very pleased to see his basic ideas continue to fascinate people almost 50 years later.
It looks like that confirms pretty much everything you described. For the filters, it looks like the filters section of the Minimoog panel, but rearranged a bit in order to form an "O."
Nitpick--Audiotool is pretty much 100% Flash, except it also seems to load a Java applet to gain MIDI access. It would be mindblowing if it were HTML5. The UI alone (especially all the little details like the correct shadows on the knobs and the wire layout, and the zoomability) would be an incredible accomplishment to draw with HTML and <canvas>. As for the synthesis, I think Audiotool predates the Web Audio API.
edit: actually, in Firefox (latest, non-nightly) it looks like it could work (knobs can be activated but don't do anything). Likewise in a recent Webkit nightly. But Chrome 17 is unresponsive, the doodle just links to a search.
> You should have been auto-updated a long time ago.
GSU has been banned from my machine (since their GSU/Google Earth shenanigans), and Chrome has no built-in ability to update without GSU (or even say that there's an update available). So it gets updated when I think about updating it.
Not that I care much about it, my primary (if not only, due to tech demos like this one) use for Chrome is as a flash player.
In fact, Audio on Safari-iOS has been intentionally crippled by Apple (its not "un-implemented" features, its intentionally-not-implemented features") so as to prevent any disruption of iTunes revenue stream from Audio-playing websites.
I really don't think that's the reason. Not only does Apple not actually make very much revenue from iTunes, it is probably more to do with audio hardware on an iphone being limited.
Fair enough, nevertheless the motivation just doesn't ring true to me. Apple doesn't cripple things to protect revenue streams. They cripple things to maintain control.
That's not a fact. However, the fact is that HTML5 audio is indeed crippled on iOS because you need a user action every time you want to play some audio, which also leads to lots of lag. However, even if that would be correctly implemented the Moog synthesizer would only be possible if they added the Web Audio API that Chrome and Firefox have.
That sounds like intentional crippling. Apple haven't done that to avoid annoying people, they've done it so you can't make games with sound on the iPhone.
They haven't removed the Geo Location API from Safari because it means websites could steal your location. They added a dialogue to ask if you want to allow them to use it.
"html5" can refer to just the core markup specification, or it can refer to an entire collection of specifications for modern javascript APIs[1] in various stages of completion. No browser implements all those specifications.
If you want something that isn't a toy and emulates all the best features of analogue synths, try AlsaModularSynth -- http://alsamodular.sourceforge.net/ -- also available as amsynth in many Linux repositories. It's got demos that emulate Moogs in all their glory.
Steep learning curve as you'd expect from a full modular synth, but lots of samples and demos, and works with MIDI so you can play it with a real keyboard.
Once again we have the latest Google marketing piece hitting the top of HN, getting tired of it (already commented about this here: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3898130).
Also note that this one is being used to market Chrome, even to Firefox users, which is pretty insidious. See this tweet with screenshot from Dave Flanagan:
The Web Audio API is being standardised as part of the W3C Audio WG (disclaimer: of which I am a member).
We have a number of browser vendors on board, including Mozilla, and have recently reached a consensus to push forward with the (webkit-proposed) Web Audio API rather than the Mozilla-proposed MediaStream processing API and Audio Data API.
In the series of comments you linked to you indicate that you work at Google. Based upon the rest of your comment history, I'd posit that your resentment and distrust of Google isn't healthy for you or the company and that you should consider leaving. If I were your lead, I'd fire you (but refer you elsewhere, if technically savvy), simply because your attitude seems to indicate that a positive working relationship isn't possible between you and Google.
Nobody has to agree with everything an employer does (ever), and I certainly don't agree with everything my employers do -- sometimes, that disagreement was public when I posted comments here under my real name. This was always a passing phenomenon, though, something like this:
> I think we could do better at X, and I'm definitely hearing what you're saying.
You, on the other hand, have months upon months of comments that betray a, to steal your word, insidious resentment of the company that you work for. You are semi anonymous, which is good for you but a terrible representation of Google; there is only one comment that I found where you forget to say "their" and you instead say "our".
I'm genuinely not trying to be an asshole, but I've seen you for a long time be negative about Google, and I don't think continuing to work there is going to make it any better for you or the company. There's a legally-questionable comment in your history, too, regarding ongoing litigation, which at my employer would be an immediate termination.
EDIT: I went back far enough to find that you're not anonymous.
Holy shit, really? You're really not seeing this? Let's start at the parent[1] and paraphrase.
> OP: <joke about free time>
>> You: I'd rather they do something other than doodles with their time.
>>> Commenter: Oh, but the doodles solve real problems!
>>>> You: Google's doodles perpetuate the image that the CORPORATION I WORK AT is a fun place to be, helping to improve OUR image and attract the right recruits.
Whose image are the doodles improving other than Google's? What is the intended company for recruits that are tickled by a Google Doodle? You say the words "I work at" and "our" in your comment. I resent having to explain this word by word. I now see an alternative explanation, which would be that you're responding to "real problems" instead, but your timing is extraordinarily awkward if that is the case and makes no sense in context.
Obviously, I left that comment with the impression that you work for Google. It was only after I stared at it for fifteen minutes as a result of this discussion that I realized there could be an alternative meaning. You need to be more careful about how you word things.
Tremendously. The quotes there entirely change the comment. The language leading up to your quotation gives no indication that you are quoting someone else at all.
I also love that I'm gray in less than sixty seconds for trying to help you be a little more clear in your comments due to a pretty severe misunderstanding.
It's pretty well known that Google uses doodles and other quirky things to showcase cool features of new web technologies (eg. pacman). This is showcasing the new(ish) web audio API. I think it's a neat way to get some eyes on what's happening on the web these days. It promotes the open web and I'm glad there are a few big companies out there who are pushing these things forward.
If you don't like the post, downvote, but there's a reason why most techies like these sort of tech demos and we especially like it when we see a big company using them.
They aren't locking other browsers out (my FF 11 on Linux is working adequately). They're going to market regardless, I'd rather see things like this than raw ads.
I assume you never use Google since they just use search to push their ads?
This fully crashed my version of Firefox (12.0) on OS X, with a spinning wheel of death, after getting stuck producing an incredibly annoying sound for about 30 seconds. If that's supposed to make it a good ad for Chrome, it backfired.
Can someone tell me why slapping this on the Google homepage and allowing it to run and crash in other browsers isn't as bad or worse than putting a really annoying and CPU-heavy Flash or Java program up there? At least if it were made with proce55ing or AS3 it would have worked.
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I have the latest version of Firefox and Safari and Google is informing me that I need a modern browser to experience it, which actually seems to just be Chrome.
Seems pretty passive aggressive.
When I tried opening someone's saved song in Firefox, the Play button did nothing. But it worked in Chrome.
Adding to my previous: it works _and_ there is no upgrade notification.
It works fine but at the bottom...same message.
I gave my monitor the middle finger.
I ranted about the <audio> element quite a while ago[1] and many points are still valid. Also, <audio> can't be used for "dynamic" sound at all. Chrome's/Safari's WebAudio is the way to and Mozilla agrees, but hasn't done anything implementation wise.
[1] http://www.phoboslab.org/log/2011/03/the-state-of-html5-audi...
So it's not just being limited to browsers that are technically capable of running it.
It's the words I'm annoyed by, not the fact that it doesn't work. Chrome is crap in my world (entirely subjective opinion) and branding it as the only 'modern' piece of kit is.. just the same.
And hasn't Mozilla had its own WebAudio implementation since FF4?
The doodle is reminiscent of a Minimoog [1], but with several simplifications to make programming easier and more musical.
1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moog_synthesizer
Mixer section
The large knob at the left is overall level (which does not equate to silence at its minimum setting, probably for UI simplicity). The three knobs to the right govern the volume of 3 individual oscillators.
Oscillator section
The leftmost 3 knobs define the pitch octave range for each of the three oscillators. LO is a subsonic frequency mainly used for modulation purposes in real life. #2', 16', 8' etc. refer to the length, in feet, of the pipe on a pipe organ that will produce tones of that frequency. A 32 foot long pipe produces a very deep bass tone (about 16 Hz, probably sounds like noise on most speakers), a 16 foot pipe produces a tone exactly one octave higher, and so forth. There are no 64 foot pipes that I know of, hence the LO setting. It's not possible on this little synth, but normally you would use those super-low frequencies as modulation sources for other things. The two knobs in the center allow tuning of the oscillators across a 2-octave range. Really, this ought to be graduated in semitones. If you turn down the center oscillator and put the other two on identical settings, you should, in theory, get the same sound only twice as loud, but the doodle is a little bit buggy and sometimes pegs one oscillator an octave above or below the other. It's easiest to just reload periodically. On a real-life analog synth of that generation, the oscillators would drift out of tune and need to be calibrated periodically; also, the tuning would change as the machine warmed up over the first half-hour or so of operation, so early electronic keyboard players often had difficulty staying in tune with the band. It was this pitch instability that caused everyone to rush towards digital synthesis at the end of the 1970s, although nowadays you can get very stable analog oscillators.
The rightmost 3 knobs set the shape for each oscillator; triangle, saw, inverse saw, and pulse waves with 10%, 25% and 50% duty cycles respectively. I think there is something amiss with the display of the saw waves on oscillators 1 & 2. Saw vs. inverse saw makes no difference on a single oscillator but where you have 2 or 3 choosing different directions for the wave can lead to interesting textures. The shape of the oscillator affects the harmonic content thereof. A triangle wave sounds very close to a sine wave - a piercing pure tone - while being computationally inexpensive. (Stable sine waves are surprisingly hard to generate on the fly unless you have a lot of DSP power, and even digital synthesizer manufacturers often cheat by using lookup tables for sine waves rather than generating them.) A saw waves contains all possible harmonics and is a good basis for brassy sounds like those of trumpets. Square waves (pulse waves with a 50% duty cycle) sound 'hollow' because they only have odd harmonics, and are a good basis for synthesizing woodwind sounds, where the absorbent nature of the material dulls the sound somewhat. Combining pulse waves of different duty cycle can lead to texturally interesting effects, although this is much more noticeable when the length of the duty cycle can be modulated, as opposed to merely switched.
Filter section
Something has gone terribly terribly wrong here, because this does not behave like any Moog synthesizer I have ever used. The top left knob controls the filter cutoff of a low pass filter, ie the frequency above which higher harmonics will be cut off. This is sort of like the effect you get if you sing a continuous AAAAAH tone with your mouth open and then gradually close your lips. Normally the knob tot he immediate right could con...
Mixer Section:
Oscillators Section: Filter Section: Envelope Section: It looks like that confirms pretty much everything you described. For the filters, it looks like the filters section of the Minimoog panel, but rearranged a bit in order to form an "O."http://8.mshcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Moog-Doodle-G...
Audiotool has been working on using only HTML5 and JavaScript (although who knows whether they'll ever start using that in their real product).
If anything, maybe this will prompt Apple and Mozilla to get on the ball and support it.
Not a single one works for me, Chrome or not.
edit: actually, in Firefox (latest, non-nightly) it looks like it could work (knobs can be activated but don't do anything). Likewise in a recent Webkit nightly. But Chrome 17 is unresponsive, the doodle just links to a search.
Nice.
GSU has been banned from my machine (since their GSU/Google Earth shenanigans), and Chrome has no built-in ability to update without GSU (or even say that there's an update available). So it gets updated when I think about updating it.
Not that I care much about it, my primary (if not only, due to tech demos like this one) use for Chrome is as a flash player.
Playing mere music files is simple enough. I think mobile Safari can handle that.
Really? I guess 6% of it's net sales isn't a huge amount i guess, but when that equates to £6.3 billion I wouldn't regard that as small fish.
I imagine a simular API for sound would surfice.
[1]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/HTML5-API...
http://home.no/gunnare/
A lot of fun if you have a Windows installation knocking about. Free VST host, if you need one:
http://www.hermannseib.com/english/vsthost.htm
Not quite the same thing, but it has the same level of accessibility in the interface - a testament to the engineers who put the Minimoog together.
I liked this brief history of the Minimoog:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLx_x5Fuzp4
edit
Similar (cross-platform) fun is to be had with the Bristol project's Mini:
http://bristol.sourceforge.net/mini.html
Steep learning curve as you'd expect from a full modular synth, but lots of samples and demos, and works with MIDI so you can play it with a real keyboard.
https://www.google.com/logos/2012/moog-hp-k-sprite.png
https://www.google.com/logos/2012/moog-hp-sprite2.png
http://www.moogmusic.com/content/google-doodle-how
Also note that this one is being used to market Chrome, even to Firefox users, which is pretty insidious. See this tweet with screenshot from Dave Flanagan:
https://twitter.com/__DavidFlanagan/status/20516612817828249...
We have a number of browser vendors on board, including Mozilla, and have recently reached a consensus to push forward with the (webkit-proposed) Web Audio API rather than the Mozilla-proposed MediaStream processing API and Audio Data API.
You can find much more information here: http://www.w3.org/2011/audio/wiki/Main_Page
We'd really welcome input from developers and browser implementers at any stage.
Nobody has to agree with everything an employer does (ever), and I certainly don't agree with everything my employers do -- sometimes, that disagreement was public when I posted comments here under my real name. This was always a passing phenomenon, though, something like this:
> I think we could do better at X, and I'm definitely hearing what you're saying.
You, on the other hand, have months upon months of comments that betray a, to steal your word, insidious resentment of the company that you work for. You are semi anonymous, which is good for you but a terrible representation of Google; there is only one comment that I found where you forget to say "their" and you instead say "our".
I'm genuinely not trying to be an asshole, but I've seen you for a long time be negative about Google, and I don't think continuing to work there is going to make it any better for you or the company. There's a legally-questionable comment in your history, too, regarding ongoing litigation, which at my employer would be an immediate termination.
EDIT: I went back far enough to find that you're not anonymous.
If you don't work at Google, your wording is a suspiciously odd mistake, and a misrepresentation.
> OP: <joke about free time>
>> You: I'd rather they do something other than doodles with their time.
>>> Commenter: Oh, but the doodles solve real problems!
>>>> You: Google's doodles perpetuate the image that the CORPORATION I WORK AT is a fun place to be, helping to improve OUR image and attract the right recruits.
Whose image are the doodles improving other than Google's? What is the intended company for recruits that are tickled by a Google Doodle? You say the words "I work at" and "our" in your comment. I resent having to explain this word by word. I now see an alternative explanation, which would be that you're responding to "real problems" instead, but your timing is extraordinarily awkward if that is the case and makes no sense in context.
Obviously, I left that comment with the impression that you work for Google. It was only after I stared at it for fifteen minutes as a result of this discussion that I realized there could be an alternative meaning. You need to be more careful about how you word things.
[1]: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3898055
> More like helping to perpetuate the image that "the corporation where I work is a "fun" place to be".
...where I'm quoting a Googler (not me).
I also love that I'm gray in less than sixty seconds for trying to help you be a little more clear in your comments due to a pretty severe misunderstanding.
If you don't like the post, downvote, but there's a reason why most techies like these sort of tech demos and we especially like it when we see a big company using them.
They aren't locking other browsers out (my FF 11 on Linux is working adequately). They're going to market regardless, I'd rather see things like this than raw ads.
I assume you never use Google since they just use search to push their ads?
https://twitter.com/__DavidFlanagan/status/20542007304375501...
Kudos to Google for fixing this.
- an arrow pointing to keyboard if you didn't pressed it
- a flash of light going through the mixer panel if you haven't used it
And also you can play by using keys from 1 to 0.
Can someone tell me why slapping this on the Google homepage and allowing it to run and crash in other browsers isn't as bad or worse than putting a really annoying and CPU-heavy Flash or Java program up there? At least if it were made with proce55ing or AS3 it would have worked.
(Love the four track recorder.)