Like most articles on TikTok, they mistake what the problem is. That is, it is what's coming in (influence) more than what's going out (data). Having both in a single app tightens the loop.
There is ample history of banning foreign influence media, TikTok is another post on this road. While we want to be careful about not subverting our values (like free speech), it would be ameture hour to allow unfettered influence apps from countries whose stated goal is to undermine our way of life.
I would counter that the media has lost the plot with TikTok, but I expect them to optimize for clicks over context and understanding.
The existence of democracies, especially Taiwan, threatens Xi and the CCP's legitimacy. When the people of China compare their lives with those of other nations, they see democracies having something they want and cannot have. The people of China care about their own lives, and the threat to Xi & the CCP is that they will eventually demand changes or overthrow the them.
There has been an implicit agreement between the people & gov't, which allows the limitation of civil liberties in exchange for rapid progress in modernization and elimination of poverty. As that effort runs out of steam, and the economic system becomes stressed, the agreement begins to break down. One may also note how Jack Ma was reigned in as another thread of the agreement being changed unilaterally by the gov't.
> The existence of democracies, especially Taiwan, threatens Xi and the CCP's legitimacy.
Has nothing to do with democracy. Taiwan could be a monarchy or communist and nothing changes. It's about national territorial integrity.
> When the people of China compare their lives with those of other nations, they see democracies having something they want and cannot have.
Chinese people envy democracies like ukraine? Or russia? You think the chinese want to be like the philippines? Most of the world's poorest and underdeveloped countries are democracies. I highly doubt that's what the chinese aspire to.
> There has been an implicit agreement between the people & gov't, which allows the limitation of civil liberties in exchange for rapid progress in modernization and elimination of poverty. As that effort runs out of steam, and the economic system becomes stressed, the agreement begins to break down. One may also note how Jack Ma was reigned in as another thread of the agreement being changed unilaterally by the gov't.
No it is not. Taiwan is their own territory and has every right to self determination. They look at what happened in Hong Kong and want nothing to do with that. See the results of the most recent election as evidence
> Chinese people envy democracies like...
What about South Korea, Japan, many EU nations, and the United States?
Russia is not a democracy, Ukraine is fighting for their right to self-determination. Taiwan will as well.
> Most of the world's poorest and underdeveloped countries are democracies.
Not true, they are mostly authoritarian pseudo democracies (in name only). Most are in Africa
Low effort claim to the point of being suspicious. Are you saying there isn’t a clear historical precedent of spy agencies of various governments trying (and in many cases succeeding) to influence politics and thought in other countries? Are you aware of the Snowden leaks, which demonstrated that the US itself does mass data collection both foreign and domestic? (ie. why would anyone be surprised if China does it)
Are you aware of the ongoing cyber attacks from China on US infrastructure? The power and reach of the Chinese super-surveillance network? The long-standing genocide of the Uyghurs? You think China would be willing to do all that to maintain the stability of the regime and its international sphere of influence and somehow just draw the line at surveillance via TikTok?
If you truly think that then that’s fine but I just wanted to double check that I was hearing you right.
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[ 384 ms ] story [ 2715 ms ] threadThere is ample history of banning foreign influence media, TikTok is another post on this road. While we want to be careful about not subverting our values (like free speech), it would be ameture hour to allow unfettered influence apps from countries whose stated goal is to undermine our way of life.
I would counter that the media has lost the plot with TikTok, but I expect them to optimize for clicks over context and understanding.
There has been an implicit agreement between the people & gov't, which allows the limitation of civil liberties in exchange for rapid progress in modernization and elimination of poverty. As that effort runs out of steam, and the economic system becomes stressed, the agreement begins to break down. One may also note how Jack Ma was reigned in as another thread of the agreement being changed unilaterally by the gov't.
Has nothing to do with democracy. Taiwan could be a monarchy or communist and nothing changes. It's about national territorial integrity.
> When the people of China compare their lives with those of other nations, they see democracies having something they want and cannot have.
Chinese people envy democracies like ukraine? Or russia? You think the chinese want to be like the philippines? Most of the world's poorest and underdeveloped countries are democracies. I highly doubt that's what the chinese aspire to.
> There has been an implicit agreement between the people & gov't, which allows the limitation of civil liberties in exchange for rapid progress in modernization and elimination of poverty. As that effort runs out of steam, and the economic system becomes stressed, the agreement begins to break down. One may also note how Jack Ma was reigned in as another thread of the agreement being changed unilaterally by the gov't.
Jack Ma? You watch too many silly youtube videos.
No it is not. Taiwan is their own territory and has every right to self determination. They look at what happened in Hong Kong and want nothing to do with that. See the results of the most recent election as evidence
> Chinese people envy democracies like...
What about South Korea, Japan, many EU nations, and the United States?
Russia is not a democracy, Ukraine is fighting for their right to self-determination. Taiwan will as well.
> Most of the world's poorest and underdeveloped countries are democracies.
Not true, they are mostly authoritarian pseudo democracies (in name only). Most are in Africa
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_wealth_pe...
Are you aware of the ongoing cyber attacks from China on US infrastructure? The power and reach of the Chinese super-surveillance network? The long-standing genocide of the Uyghurs? You think China would be willing to do all that to maintain the stability of the regime and its international sphere of influence and somehow just draw the line at surveillance via TikTok?
If you truly think that then that’s fine but I just wanted to double check that I was hearing you right.