Seems like a pretty human thing to do, or at least something I (a human I think) have done. Type a bunch of sentences about a couple nouns and occasionally your brain types the other one as you're thinking ahead!
Certainly, I try to catch my own mistakes like this, but we've had years of hastily written online articles with typos/mistakes like this, that were fed right in to the various "AIs".
You lough but there is some truth behind it. Urine (yiikk) is known for some effects on wound healing and some other things.
(Yiiiiiiiiik)
So, our kidneys filter stuff out of our blood. They make a highly saturated concentrate, that will be diluted by addition of water. Also, the acidicy is regulated by bicarbonate in our body. There's one thing got los over the time:
in the beginning of treatment of kidney failure with dialysis, there have been a strange observation:
One doc wanted to regulate acidicy by supplying bicarbonate intravenously. But the calculations of the needed dosis wekt wrong, so the patient got way toooo much of bicarbonate.
His body reacted with opening of the flood gates - the patient went to the bucket like - he never left it. So drinking urine you get more of the stuff our body wants to get rid of. The more of stuff, the more it wants to get ridden of.
It is complete nonsense. Drinking urine will only aggravate the kidney that is already under heavy stress. It will now have to filter more waste. Moreover, drinking urine will in no way help pass a stone.
The one thing that actually helps is exactly a half dose of a diuretic like furosemide, if combined with enough water, but even then it depends on the size of the stone.
Not a nonsense if you take into account that one kidney is more than enough for our bodies. So two are not under a heavy stress as you say. Even if you would readd the filtered waste (which is also not solid waste, but rather small amounts diluted in water), there's still plenty of "capacity".
Furosemide is diuretic. Among others. I don't say you should drink urine, but consider:
- its water+x. When you have kidney stones, you have to drink more. Check.
- its water+x. If you have more of x in your body, it doesn't necessarily mean the kidneys start to produce more concentrated urine, like a heart beats faster, if more oxygen is needed. But, a part of the x is bicarbonate and urea. If you take in more than necessary of bicarbonate, you'll become alcalosic and your kidneys react to that by watering it out fast. Urea is also diuretic by default. So drinking urine would add more of bicarbonate and urea back and in the end provoke going often to toilet. That's exactly what one need xD check.
Just think of the thousands of years and a lot of people of different cultures utilizing urine as medicine or for health benefits :)
Look, I get that there's a certain holy book that says drinking urine helps. Get this in your head: it's REALLY, really, really, REALLY bad.
Ureum is what's called a "fixation agent". What does that mean? It's a very strong poison that leaves a beautiful corpse (yes, really). And yes, your body has a tolerance for it. If you exceed that tolerance you'll die, very quickly, or you'll die of thirst first. Yes, you can die of thirst while drinking. A Belgian student managed to do that just a few years ago. He drank oyster sauce, I believe. Liters of it.
You know the "babies in bottles", that you can see in some musea? That's what ureum does to you if you exceed your tolerance.
Obviously, if you have kidney stones, BOTH kidneys are under heavy stress. So heavy they can die. Both of them. You will NOT like that outcome (dialysis for life, with periods without dialysis if you manage to get a kidney transplant, but you'll still spend YEARS going to the hospital every day, risk getting infected with horrible diseases every time, and it'll hurt. Every time. You'll be tired, every second of every day, for decades. You cannot touch alcohol, meat, cigarettes, ... without serious immediate consequences, plus if you touch any of those doctors will deny you further replacement organs. Oh and even if you do get a replacement organ, constant heavy antibiotics AND immune suppressants. You shouldn't swim, and certainly not in the ocean or ... you shouldn't go into nature, you shouldn't eat anything remotely unsafe, ... Is this really a price you're willing to pay?)
You should drink water. The purer the better. Even distilled (not laboratory-grade multiple-times distilled water, don't go crazy). Not too much, but not nothing. And GET MEDICAL HELP.
And yes, it will hurt. A LOT. It will hurt more when you drink. If you can't get medical help within a few hours, drink anyway. Yes, it will hurt more than any pain you've ever felt in your life, you'll be crying. I know. Do it anyway.
Until you get medical help, suck it up.
Don't drive yourself to medical help unless you're sure you can take it.
What? You talking too much and mix up a lot of things.
I know what urea is. Obviously it's more important for you to put it in some other light, than to acknowledge it is a strong diuretic, which would support my OP. Also, talking about drinking distilled water, pure water.. I see some strong misconception of how our body works. Also the whole story with kidneys having a stress because there are some stones.. they are not under stress. They can't be under stress. It's not a muscle that uses up energy when put under stress. They produce and need water to dilute the concentrate so it can be watered out. There is not a time where kidneys do more work or less work. They always doing 100 percent. The amount of urea a body is producing, is driven heavily by protein intake and cellular things. So the kidneys are doing always 100 percent. They don't care if there's much waste or less. But what you have is a certain capacity called Urea clearance (ml/h) and also creatinine clearance. If your clearance is lower than the intake or metabolism, then you need some diuretica in the beginning to water out as much water as still possible and later, if it's not sufficient anymore, dialysis.
When you have damaged kidneys, it's not like a motor that is stuck. It's rather the damage of the glomerulus', which can be physically provoked by too much of (big) protein molecules that are being water out (bodybuilding, >120g per day for a few months for example will surely lead to kidney problems), be caused by bacterial infections which cause inflammation and that causes scars in the material, or may be caused by some other kidney illnesses.
Stones are known of two different kinds to exist. One is calcium stones and the other oxalate stones. Both have different causes. You have to take that into account :)
So, I don't quite get your story. It's so messy, if I say so. Different facts are mixed together without considering. That Belgian student died of too much salt. Which also will happen if you drink a few liters of salty sea water over a few days. The reason for this is osmolarity. If you have too much salt in your body, the osmolarity will pull water out of the body cells. The inner cell metabolism changes as result. One _might_ get problems. Or, if it was too much salt, one _will_ get problems. That's also a reason for being thirsty. Our body signals us to dilute it. The opposite will happen if you drink distilled water. That usually has less of minerals and ions. Again,the osmolarity will be on the side with the higher concentration of ions -> water will be pulled into cells which have and need salt for inner workings. The cells will burst because of (osmolarity) pressure.
If your kidneys slowly stop working (actually, it's logarithmic.. first slowly, later accelerated) you'll become thirsty. This is caused by too much of urea in the blood. As urea is a strong diuretic, the body needs more water to be able to water it out. But the levels of urea won't sink so fast anymore then..
And then you have problems with your blood pressure regulation. And .. and .. and ..
...
And so on.. there is much more behind that than the holy book you mentioned suggests. May be you should read it ;)
I was not expecting this, but it turns out that urea really is a diuretic. Even so, the urine should probably first be checked for normalcy via a urine test strip. In practice, during a stone, urine is often mixed with blood, and the combination would be utterly strange to drink.
Medical help here is relatively useless wrt prescrbing any diuretic for a stone, so unless one has acquired them ahead of time, one is relegated to desperate measures. They would rather you suffer and schedule an expensive lithotripsy w/ fluoroscopy radiation procedure that they can bill you for when a ten cent pill does the job.
Everything extremely bad for you is not always a diuretic. Sometimes, it's a deadlyetic. You have to consider that we have fat/oil and water solubles. Your urine just can contain the water solubles.
The next question is, why do you compare eggs with potatoes? Both are round, I know...
A lot of animals drink their own urine. Hamsters and Guinea pigs are known to eat their solid feces, dogs are known for this behavior, sometimes, too. The apes do this. So did and does the human too. May it be because of some (traditional) medicine believes, Emergencies like in the sea, fetishes or other reasons. Since a long long time. In each culture and nation. I'm sure one of your neighbors does this too :)
Where exactly is the evidence for urine being bad bad bad as you say? Arsenic and alcohol are known to kill, but urine never has been used for killings or something like this. There are quite a few studies around that topic, why don't you just Google first instead spreading misinformation?
It's the first Google search result I could click the fastest. There it's written what you should know to reposition your beliefs.
One thing I can tell you without spoiling: you can't piss that much you can drink. We loose some water through sweating and by respiratory means ... So it never will be fecesdynamically feasible (the 3 laws of fecesdynamics: eat shit repeat)
I take back my prior comment because urea really is a diuretic in effect, so there is a possibility of it working in theory to relieve a small stone. Even so, the urine should probably first be checked for normalcy via a urine test strip. In practice, during a stone, urine is often mixed with blood, and the combination would be utterly strange to drink.
These days we have pharmaceutical diuretics, but one has to have procured them ahead of time because no doctor here will give you one to pass a stone. They would prefer to bill you instead for an expensive lithotripsy procedure which also gives you a lot of radiation via fluoroscopy.
Wow, generative AI gave someone incorrect information? I'm shocked, just shocked. Thank god for journalists doing groundbreaking investigations like this.
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[ 0.19 ms ] story [ 55.7 ms ] thread[0] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25766599/
https://www.healthline.com/health/is-urine-sterile
You aren't gonna die from drinking it, but it isn't sterile.
Certainly, I try to catch my own mistakes like this, but we've had years of hastily written online articles with typos/mistakes like this, that were fed right in to the various "AIs".
(Yiiiiiiiiik)
So, our kidneys filter stuff out of our blood. They make a highly saturated concentrate, that will be diluted by addition of water. Also, the acidicy is regulated by bicarbonate in our body. There's one thing got los over the time: in the beginning of treatment of kidney failure with dialysis, there have been a strange observation:
One doc wanted to regulate acidicy by supplying bicarbonate intravenously. But the calculations of the needed dosis wekt wrong, so the patient got way toooo much of bicarbonate.
His body reacted with opening of the flood gates - the patient went to the bucket like - he never left it. So drinking urine you get more of the stuff our body wants to get rid of. The more of stuff, the more it wants to get ridden of.
The one thing that actually helps is exactly a half dose of a diuretic like furosemide, if combined with enough water, but even then it depends on the size of the stone.
Furosemide is diuretic. Among others. I don't say you should drink urine, but consider:
- its water+x. When you have kidney stones, you have to drink more. Check.
- its water+x. If you have more of x in your body, it doesn't necessarily mean the kidneys start to produce more concentrated urine, like a heart beats faster, if more oxygen is needed. But, a part of the x is bicarbonate and urea. If you take in more than necessary of bicarbonate, you'll become alcalosic and your kidneys react to that by watering it out fast. Urea is also diuretic by default. So drinking urine would add more of bicarbonate and urea back and in the end provoke going often to toilet. That's exactly what one need xD check.
Just think of the thousands of years and a lot of people of different cultures utilizing urine as medicine or for health benefits :)
Ureum is what's called a "fixation agent". What does that mean? It's a very strong poison that leaves a beautiful corpse (yes, really). And yes, your body has a tolerance for it. If you exceed that tolerance you'll die, very quickly, or you'll die of thirst first. Yes, you can die of thirst while drinking. A Belgian student managed to do that just a few years ago. He drank oyster sauce, I believe. Liters of it.
You know the "babies in bottles", that you can see in some musea? That's what ureum does to you if you exceed your tolerance.
Obviously, if you have kidney stones, BOTH kidneys are under heavy stress. So heavy they can die. Both of them. You will NOT like that outcome (dialysis for life, with periods without dialysis if you manage to get a kidney transplant, but you'll still spend YEARS going to the hospital every day, risk getting infected with horrible diseases every time, and it'll hurt. Every time. You'll be tired, every second of every day, for decades. You cannot touch alcohol, meat, cigarettes, ... without serious immediate consequences, plus if you touch any of those doctors will deny you further replacement organs. Oh and even if you do get a replacement organ, constant heavy antibiotics AND immune suppressants. You shouldn't swim, and certainly not in the ocean or ... you shouldn't go into nature, you shouldn't eat anything remotely unsafe, ... Is this really a price you're willing to pay?)
You should drink water. The purer the better. Even distilled (not laboratory-grade multiple-times distilled water, don't go crazy). Not too much, but not nothing. And GET MEDICAL HELP.
And yes, it will hurt. A LOT. It will hurt more when you drink. If you can't get medical help within a few hours, drink anyway. Yes, it will hurt more than any pain you've ever felt in your life, you'll be crying. I know. Do it anyway.
Until you get medical help, suck it up.
Don't drive yourself to medical help unless you're sure you can take it.
I know what urea is. Obviously it's more important for you to put it in some other light, than to acknowledge it is a strong diuretic, which would support my OP. Also, talking about drinking distilled water, pure water.. I see some strong misconception of how our body works. Also the whole story with kidneys having a stress because there are some stones.. they are not under stress. They can't be under stress. It's not a muscle that uses up energy when put under stress. They produce and need water to dilute the concentrate so it can be watered out. There is not a time where kidneys do more work or less work. They always doing 100 percent. The amount of urea a body is producing, is driven heavily by protein intake and cellular things. So the kidneys are doing always 100 percent. They don't care if there's much waste or less. But what you have is a certain capacity called Urea clearance (ml/h) and also creatinine clearance. If your clearance is lower than the intake or metabolism, then you need some diuretica in the beginning to water out as much water as still possible and later, if it's not sufficient anymore, dialysis.
When you have damaged kidneys, it's not like a motor that is stuck. It's rather the damage of the glomerulus', which can be physically provoked by too much of (big) protein molecules that are being water out (bodybuilding, >120g per day for a few months for example will surely lead to kidney problems), be caused by bacterial infections which cause inflammation and that causes scars in the material, or may be caused by some other kidney illnesses.
Stones are known of two different kinds to exist. One is calcium stones and the other oxalate stones. Both have different causes. You have to take that into account :)
So, I don't quite get your story. It's so messy, if I say so. Different facts are mixed together without considering. That Belgian student died of too much salt. Which also will happen if you drink a few liters of salty sea water over a few days. The reason for this is osmolarity. If you have too much salt in your body, the osmolarity will pull water out of the body cells. The inner cell metabolism changes as result. One _might_ get problems. Or, if it was too much salt, one _will_ get problems. That's also a reason for being thirsty. Our body signals us to dilute it. The opposite will happen if you drink distilled water. That usually has less of minerals and ions. Again,the osmolarity will be on the side with the higher concentration of ions -> water will be pulled into cells which have and need salt for inner workings. The cells will burst because of (osmolarity) pressure.
If your kidneys slowly stop working (actually, it's logarithmic.. first slowly, later accelerated) you'll become thirsty. This is caused by too much of urea in the blood. As urea is a strong diuretic, the body needs more water to be able to water it out. But the levels of urea won't sink so fast anymore then.. And then you have problems with your blood pressure regulation. And .. and .. and .. ...
And so on.. there is much more behind that than the holy book you mentioned suggests. May be you should read it ;)
Medical help here is relatively useless wrt prescrbing any diuretic for a stone, so unless one has acquired them ahead of time, one is relegated to desperate measures. They would rather you suffer and schedule an expensive lithotripsy w/ fluoroscopy radiation procedure that they can bill you for when a ten cent pill does the job.
Anything that's extremely bad for you is a diuretic.
The next question is, why do you compare eggs with potatoes? Both are round, I know...
A lot of animals drink their own urine. Hamsters and Guinea pigs are known to eat their solid feces, dogs are known for this behavior, sometimes, too. The apes do this. So did and does the human too. May it be because of some (traditional) medicine believes, Emergencies like in the sea, fetishes or other reasons. Since a long long time. In each culture and nation. I'm sure one of your neighbors does this too :)
Where exactly is the evidence for urine being bad bad bad as you say? Arsenic and alcohol are known to kill, but urine never has been used for killings or something like this. There are quite a few studies around that topic, why don't you just Google first instead spreading misinformation?
May be you start with this here:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3032615/
It's the first Google search result I could click the fastest. There it's written what you should know to reposition your beliefs.
One thing I can tell you without spoiling: you can't piss that much you can drink. We loose some water through sweating and by respiratory means ... So it never will be fecesdynamically feasible (the 3 laws of fecesdynamics: eat shit repeat)
These days we have pharmaceutical diuretics, but one has to have procured them ahead of time because no doctor here will give you one to pass a stone. They would prefer to bill you instead for an expensive lithotripsy procedure which also gives you a lot of radiation via fluoroscopy.