Ask HN: Should we stop posting X links on HN?
Just of today, i see a lot of postings on HN with linking to X/Twitter. Obviously X decided to not present the content.
just like here:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40392157
If you want to see how Prince of Persia animations have been done, you'll see nothing.
By now, i saw quite a few entries on HN that will lead into the literal nothing.
I dont have a twitter/X account. And i don't think it won't change anything, if I make one, because the HN URL is already not the proper one...
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[ 3.5 ms ] story [ 147 ms ] threadIf newer embeds work and older don't maybe the calculus was that the older embeds weren't worth migrating.
I feel like such an idiot for ever embedding content from Twitter, especially after Musk took over.
on edit: well evidently I just have no patience or am cynical because the Oct 2023 ones are working now, I better turn everything into images though - will perform better anyway.
Now, since this post is on the frontpage, I'll ask a better question: should we stop posting paywalled articles on HN? (I'm in favor, I wish more people were in favor.)
The paywalled was also a nail in my eye. But, people pointed out, that there's still a possibility to ask for an archive link. Thats true. So no hard arguments against it.
It’s really weird to try to build a culture of “do read TFA before posting” when a high percentage of links can’t actually be read by most posters. Relying on someone to comment with a working link is silly and backwards.
Sorry if you love him, he's not great, you should read his posts. They are insane.
If X was a brand new social network it would be in the same category as Gab and Truth, people are only (still) willing to give it the benefit of the doubt because of its long history, and the volume of users who are still on it from pre-Musk history.
But Musk's intentions are clear.
Do you mind to elaborate why no? I mean, there is obviously content, but it cant be accessed. Its different with like paywalls, where some nice hacker-human posts an archive link. For twitter it isn't possible the same way.
It's a little-known and barely-used feature that's mentioned in the sites' FAQ: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html
Paywals might be debatable, but login-walled links to social media are not in the spirit of HN as I imagine it.
With "debatable", I meant that paywalls are more acceptable to me.
Luckily, anything worthwhile originally posted on X tends to surface on the open web after a while anyway. And most of the times, the value of xitter threads is entirely in external links anyway.
So OK, to each their own.
I hope this won't extend towards tolerating links to Instagram or Facebook groups as HN submissions.
Not for me to decide.
This would eliminate like what, 30% of HN content?
Don't open X links or set up ad blocker to remove posts linking to it from the DOM.
Thats good service by some fellow hackers. thanks!
We just share screenshots in my friend group. Used to share links. It may as well not be on the Web at all anymore.
[edit] and also it’s now actually broken, but it was so close to broken before that I think they should have been blocked here, and most places, months ago.
PS: Twitter was the only social media website I used for the last decade. Unfortunately it’s a cesspool now.
I need to see it!
https://www.forbes.com/sites/sethporges/2017/12/19/how-the-o...
"Jordan Mechner offers a postmortem on the classic platforming game Prince of Persia." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjE4JyfMVLc
What is the deal with these new weird links?
Also, I would vote no, but if links no longer render for logged out users then I would be willing to discuss alternative measures. I am just not entirely sure about the link you shared and its URL structure.
Twitter has a lot of people using it and posting stuff there exclusively, a lot of which is genuinely interesting and provokes curiosity.
Musk has deliberately repositioned X as a social network that encourages hate speech, and the users have followed. It maintains a veneer of respectability only because of it's pre-Musk history, and because of the number of corporations and media outlets who continue to use it, presumably out of inertia rather than anything else.
If it were up to me, HN would not support any site that supports hate speech. And it mostly already doesn't. X is a weird quirk as it is in transition from what it used to be to what Musk wants it to be, and a lot of people haven't really accepted it yet.
That works for me even when I'm in incognito. Asking for the smallest amount of agency from this crowd may well be trying to make a cow do calculus. Industrial-grade complaint merchants.
People have no problem posting links to paywalls, there's just always someone kind enough to come along and post an archive.org link.
Having many instances was great; however even when there were many to choose from, in practice I only chose to use one, whichever one worked the most consistently.
At the very least, Twitter (and Youtube) should be whitelisted and rated by individual accounts, and not sitewide, so that the wheat can be separated from the chaff.
Interesting, other sites do not have this problem. Maybe they shouldn't have fired all those people.