The recent release that was (deservedly) dubbed a fiasco, was for enthusiasts and adventurers. Not the general public, and this was stated quite clearly. This alone renders most of the arguments invalid.
The RasPi Foundation have promised to provide complete packages for schools and I'm sure those will also trickle down to the general public at some point as well.
I really can't take something like this piece seriously, when it talks about a lack of software. Just look at any of the BBC interviews with Eben and you'll see him demonstrate the MIT teaching environment (don't recall its name atm), among other things. If anything, the RasPi has too much software (the Linux paradox of choice) but I'm sure the good folks at the foundation will package it with a nice polished distro when it goes to schools.
This piece was written by someone who expected the first release to be the last and final say in the matter. This was just the beginning, the revolution hasn't yet begun.
If it doesn't work as a programming/hardware hacking teaching tool, it'll certainly work as a cheap media centre/file server/thing for various cool cheap projects.
I feel like I should reproduce the comment I put on there, because I'd prefer, by far, to get honest opinions from the HN community than whatever his response will be. So here goes:
You seem to have a lot of aggressiveness towards "geeks", and it seems that either you misunderstood the point of RPi, or you're purposefully ignoring it... From the point of view of an amateur programmer:
1. I think the fact that the website went down and the two distributors were completely overwhelmed initially is a good indicator of the popularity of the board, not indicative of amateurism. And in terms of looks, it's no uglier than any board in any electronics device out there. It's not like it has lamps!
2. Nostalgia, I believe, is a positive effect on the older generation which will realize they can use it to engage the younger generation (their kids, mainly). Also, while looking back on old hardware and software and being nostalgic of the days is not productive, doing so as a side effect of "oh my god, this is cool and reminds me of X so much, I loved that old thing!" brings value to things like the RPi. But in reality, the REAL goal of the Pi is to help learning in third-world countries. "buy-one-donate-one" will come later once they've worked out the kinks, and I'll be using this program on each purchase, because I care about this sort of thing.
3. You didn't put a number 3. Amateurism, you said? Oh wait, you fixed your formatting. Just goes to say, people can resolve minor issues when they happen! But to answer this point, "Tinkering" is exactly what we need. It's the approach that works for a lot of people. IMHO, places like KhanAcademy.com work because it's "tinkering" with subjects using exercises and videos.
4. There has to be a balance of "new" influx in both hardware and software. What would happen if the only PC you had was a 286 and no one was interested in making anything faster, better or smaller? You'd be no better than if everyone made hardware and there were no programmers. In reality, the more people use technology, the more we'll have of both hardware and software. You won't be running out of either anytime soon.
5. I believe what the foundation is expecting is that people will crowdsource the heck out of this. I'm expecting that by the time I get my hands on a Pi, there will be plenty of tutorials out there to get me started, and it's fine that they're all over the Internet. That's what Google and DuckDuckGo are for.
6. I'll re-echo my point 2, as I said the "older" generation will get the "younger" one interested... Plus, those teenagers who are in families that don't necessarily have the money for larger hardware will be very happy to have a cheap $35 computer to work with that can be plugged into the family TV at night. I grew up in a poor family, I would have been much better off if the Pi had been available back then.
7. "Looks crap not cool" is a matter of opinion (as well as bad grammar). This thing is meant to be put where you need it the most, not sit on a desk like a piece of art. I'm going to be gluing it to the back of an LCD monitor rescued from a dead iMac, along with a control board purchased on eBay, as a digital frame... And probably get another, hidden in my car's dash, projecting data as a HUD on my windshield. I don't care what it looks like, I just care that it's cheap and replaceable.
Sorry for the wall of text, but my two cents almost always turn into two dollars :P
> We need a structured approach to the serious acquisition of relevant skills, not tinkering
Because if anything is proven to get kids enthused about learning, it's a structured approach to learning serious skills. We can teach the kids CMMI, financial management, and marketing, so they can manage their outsourced programmers, or whatever it is we're all supposed to do.
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[ 13.3 ms ] story [ 281 ms ] threadThe recent release that was (deservedly) dubbed a fiasco, was for enthusiasts and adventurers. Not the general public, and this was stated quite clearly. This alone renders most of the arguments invalid.
The RasPi Foundation have promised to provide complete packages for schools and I'm sure those will also trickle down to the general public at some point as well.
I really can't take something like this piece seriously, when it talks about a lack of software. Just look at any of the BBC interviews with Eben and you'll see him demonstrate the MIT teaching environment (don't recall its name atm), among other things. If anything, the RasPi has too much software (the Linux paradox of choice) but I'm sure the good folks at the foundation will package it with a nice polished distro when it goes to schools.
This piece was written by someone who expected the first release to be the last and final say in the matter. This was just the beginning, the revolution hasn't yet begun.
You seem to have a lot of aggressiveness towards "geeks", and it seems that either you misunderstood the point of RPi, or you're purposefully ignoring it... From the point of view of an amateur programmer:
1. I think the fact that the website went down and the two distributors were completely overwhelmed initially is a good indicator of the popularity of the board, not indicative of amateurism. And in terms of looks, it's no uglier than any board in any electronics device out there. It's not like it has lamps!
2. Nostalgia, I believe, is a positive effect on the older generation which will realize they can use it to engage the younger generation (their kids, mainly). Also, while looking back on old hardware and software and being nostalgic of the days is not productive, doing so as a side effect of "oh my god, this is cool and reminds me of X so much, I loved that old thing!" brings value to things like the RPi. But in reality, the REAL goal of the Pi is to help learning in third-world countries. "buy-one-donate-one" will come later once they've worked out the kinks, and I'll be using this program on each purchase, because I care about this sort of thing.
3. You didn't put a number 3. Amateurism, you said? Oh wait, you fixed your formatting. Just goes to say, people can resolve minor issues when they happen! But to answer this point, "Tinkering" is exactly what we need. It's the approach that works for a lot of people. IMHO, places like KhanAcademy.com work because it's "tinkering" with subjects using exercises and videos.
4. There has to be a balance of "new" influx in both hardware and software. What would happen if the only PC you had was a 286 and no one was interested in making anything faster, better or smaller? You'd be no better than if everyone made hardware and there were no programmers. In reality, the more people use technology, the more we'll have of both hardware and software. You won't be running out of either anytime soon.
5. I believe what the foundation is expecting is that people will crowdsource the heck out of this. I'm expecting that by the time I get my hands on a Pi, there will be plenty of tutorials out there to get me started, and it's fine that they're all over the Internet. That's what Google and DuckDuckGo are for.
6. I'll re-echo my point 2, as I said the "older" generation will get the "younger" one interested... Plus, those teenagers who are in families that don't necessarily have the money for larger hardware will be very happy to have a cheap $35 computer to work with that can be plugged into the family TV at night. I grew up in a poor family, I would have been much better off if the Pi had been available back then.
7. "Looks crap not cool" is a matter of opinion (as well as bad grammar). This thing is meant to be put where you need it the most, not sit on a desk like a piece of art. I'm going to be gluing it to the back of an LCD monitor rescued from a dead iMac, along with a control board purchased on eBay, as a digital frame... And probably get another, hidden in my car's dash, projecting data as a HUD on my windshield. I don't care what it looks like, I just care that it's cheap and replaceable.
Sorry for the wall of text, but my two cents almost always turn into two dollars :P
Because if anything is proven to get kids enthused about learning, it's a structured approach to learning serious skills. We can teach the kids CMMI, financial management, and marketing, so they can manage their outsourced programmers, or whatever it is we're all supposed to do.