If this is decent, I’d probably switch. I loved 1Pass 7. Then they bloated it. I’ll give them that the SSH Agent is pretty cool, but there are alternatives to that.
I'm in the same boat. I've been using 1p for a long time, and I'm generally a fan and advocate because it's the best password manager I know of. But I would definitely switch if a better product emerges.
The experience has gotten really frustrating over the years. 1Password used to be a delight to use, now it's bloated and unbearably and inexplicably slow at times. I much preferred the native app over the current electron version. The browser extensions are finicky. I don't love that the only option is for 1p to host my vault for me, but whatever, I guess I trust them.
Huh, this will be great for the normies out there, as I assume Apple will tightly integrate it into safari and whatnot, easing them into using a password manager.
I’ve mostly switched over to this over the past year already, from my previous password manager BitWarden. My only complaint is the current Safari/iCloud Keychain doesn’t support arbitrary fields like BitWarden or other password managers do. I often keep crucial info about accounts in such fields, but it’s not possible with Apple’s current implementation. Hopefully their new Password app will support it.
Yes, having a place to store security questions like whatever my favorite flavor of ice cream was 9 years ago (looking at you, United) would be nice and the main feature I missing now.
I still generate random passwords for the questions. I don’t like that someone who knows me well could use them to gain access to an account.
… but yes we definitely need extra fields for storing that and lots of other related data.
I’m a 1Password user and one of the features I really like is that it saves ALL of the fields from a signup form along with the password. That has saved me a couple of times where I needed to know some value I had entered at the time I created an account.
Newer versions of macOS have something in addition to Keychain Access, known as Passwords. In fact, when you launch the Keychain Access program it now asks if you want to use "Passwords" or "Keychain Access", the former opening what the parent speaks of, and the latter continuing to the legacy Keychain Access.
Apple, love you. A password app that isn’t cross platform in 2024 is DOA. You keep claiming you’re becoming a services company, but then you keep doing things like this that makes me think you have absolutely no idea how to be a services company.
You can use an unreleased "Passwords" app on Windows today? One that, based on leaked information so far, only runs on iOS, iPadOS, and MacOS. Where can I download it?
Just curious, has Apple ever claimed they’re a services company? I’m pretty sure that’s just what analysts claim Apple is trying to pivot to because they make a lot of money from subscriptions.
Doesn't making a lot of money from services kinda de facto mean becoming a services company?
I agree it's different from like Microsoft as their hardware and walled garden is still key. But they certainly have been ramping up services especially if you consider non-IT stuff like Apple Music and TV+
Oh definitely, they have tons of services and I personally use most of them. I was mostly just questioning this from the gp:
> You keep claiming you’re becoming a services company, but then you keep doing things like this […]
It seems to me that Apple doesn’t see itself as a services company despite offering all sorts of services. I think they still largely see themselves as a hardware company selling Apple hardware, and the services are just there to enhance that hardware or make it more enticing.
To be clear, before anyone gets upset - I don't expect Apple to resell other people's computers - but even as someone who has been exclusively and extensively Apple for a decade or more, their Trade In prompt always came across as condescending and insulting. "Want to trade in your computer? Let's see what it's worth! Is it Apple? Or Other?" and if you choose Other, it's "So we'll recycle it for you." with no further questions.
Wonder if it's going to be storing its data on iCloud in encrypted or unencrypted form?
Unencrypted form, or even encrypted where Apple gets to know the encrypted keys, would likely make this an attractive target for various groups (of both the good and bad varieties).
This will undoubtedly be a front-end to the existing iCloud Keychain password store. Details of how this works are explained in "Apple Platform Security":
Since it doesn’t work on android it’s effectively an anti competitive lock in feature? We really need new antitrust laws and aggressive EU style enforcement
What about Google asking you to use chrome each time you click on a link in gmail, or not letting you copy an address without being taken to maps when you search on your phone?
Please no. There are many alternative cross-platform password managers one can use instead. Please don’t make my software and devices suckier and harder to use to appease some EU bureaucrat.
1Password barely works in safari if you use profiles. I’ve filed a bug in the past asking them to investigate and got back a boilerplate “try reinstalling” response. I don’t have the energy to chase down bugfixes in software I paid for. I’ll probably switch to this.
I’m mostly in Apple’s sphere of influence, but I still need my password manager to work from other people’s Android devices. So no thanks Apple, I’ll stick with Bitwarden.
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The experience has gotten really frustrating over the years. 1Password used to be a delight to use, now it's bloated and unbearably and inexplicably slow at times. I much preferred the native app over the current electron version. The browser extensions are finicky. I don't love that the only option is for 1p to host my vault for me, but whatever, I guess I trust them.
You might want to try our modern, open-source, cross-platform alternative[1]
The self hosted server v1 will land in the next few weeks.
[1] https://saveoursecrets.com
My guess is this app will be mostly just an extraction of that table from Settings.
… but yes we definitely need extra fields for storing that and lots of other related data.
I’m a 1Password user and one of the features I really like is that it saves ALL of the fields from a signup form along with the password. That has saved me a couple of times where I needed to know some value I had entered at the time I created an account.
It’s not uncommon to have Windows and Android in the mix even for households that are all-Apple at home.
Not to mention expectation of multi-browser support, Safari-only is not going to work.
Do you also think the Messages app is cross platform because there’s an iCloud app for Windows?
iCloud for Windows does not include a Messages app.
Not really sure which part you're confused about?
I agree it's different from like Microsoft as their hardware and walled garden is still key. But they certainly have been ramping up services especially if you consider non-IT stuff like Apple Music and TV+
> You keep claiming you’re becoming a services company, but then you keep doing things like this […]
It seems to me that Apple doesn’t see itself as a services company despite offering all sorts of services. I think they still largely see themselves as a hardware company selling Apple hardware, and the services are just there to enhance that hardware or make it more enticing.
Is there any other platform?
Unencrypted form, or even encrypted where Apple gets to know the encrypted keys, would likely make this an attractive target for various groups (of both the good and bad varieties).
https://help.apple.com/pdf/security/en_US/apple-platform-sec...
Personally I plan to continue using BitWarden because it’s cross platform.