I use individious because the current youtube frontend is bloated and slow on firefox. Maybe they should focus on improving their frontend instead of blocking frontends that other people prefer.
Apple users are likes AOL users of yesteryear. Firefox users are like freenet users. AOL users have more money but are less techie. Firefox users are more techie but broke.
Sure but let's see average user data first before making these claims. Aren't Apple products popular among kids? Kids are usually poor and would bring the wealth average down.
>Maybe they should focus on improving their frontend
They have. Do you know how many ads they can stuff into people's faces now?
Youtube is unbearable without ablock. If there are people who are able to watch it like that, then it shows just how long you can boil the proverbial frog.
YT premium unfortunately scales very poorly for low usage. I probably average about one youtube video watched per month, so while I'm not opposed to paying something, I am opposed to watching any ads, and I'm not going to pay $13/video.
My wife doesn't use youtube to any significant degree either, so the cost calculation doesn't notably change with the family plan. Obviously if your usage is significantly different the cost calculation is different, which was my point from the start.
This is a false equivocation, blocking ads doesn't mean nobody will be supporting them. Anyway watching ads enriches Google far more than the creators. You can block all ads indiscriminately and send money directly to the creators you care about.
If everyone blocked ads it means exactly that. People can send money directly to the people who can set that up. If not enough people send money then the creator moves on.
Aren't you cheating yourself out of future content? Whatever you like doesn't matter to the creator.
This sounds like YT premium, but just a different platform that has no ad supported option. These platforms are dependent on the network effect and the creators and viewers are only going to use a limited number of platforms (2-4)
Youtube premium is insanely good value for money if you're at all a regular Youtube user. And content creators get paid significantly more for Premium views than ad supported views.
I’ve been using Firefox for maybe 15 years. It has always been great. But in the past year or so, I’m finding that more and more web experiences are buggy and slow in Firefox, which is really frustrating.
I don’t know if it’s that developers don’t do sufficient QA testing in Firefox, or the creators of Firefox have fallen behind.
Either way it doesn’t bode well. I’m being forced to reach for Chrome more and more just to get certain websites to work, especially ChatGPT. It is way buggier in Firefox than Chrome. It feels like OpenAI doesn’t have a single person doing QA testing in Firefox, and why should they? It’s a sliver of the market.
If anyone at Mozilla/Firefox is reading this, this is really bad. This is the kind of thing that signals the death of something in the not too distant future.
>People expect websites to work regardless of the device or browser they are using. When a site works in one browser but not another, that is most likely a web compatibility bug that we want to know about.
Some of this is intentional on websites from Google. Google sheets has a very very annoying bug where if you want to multiply two values in a cell formula and press the asterisk key, the cursor jumps to the left of the asterisk. You then have to manually place the cursor to the right of the asterisk (since pushing the right arrow key may instead jump to the next cell to the right), breaking any typing flow whatsoever. However, if you fake your Firefox user agent to chrome (but change nothing else), the bug disappears.
I recall reading a post here on HN that Google has been found from time to time to intentionally cripple the FF user agent, which in turn led me to "discover" the sheets bug fix.
This does not change much about what you wrote, but it's at least something to do against malicious incompatibility
YouTube is borderline unusable now. For the last 6 months when I browse to YT - on any device - I get a blank page (no suggested content) with a decoy search box in the center of the page. When I click it, focus moves from the decoy to a second, real search box which unfurls at the top, but the cursor does not move and requires a subsequent click. This means on mobile I have to tap twice - in two different locations on the page - before I can start typing a search query.
Google needs to fire their entire UI/UX staff, this is "my first website" levels of usability. 2004-era websites were more functional.
I had interpreted the news as affecting all users of the other tools. Now found https://github.com/TeamNewPipe/NewPipe/issues/11139 with very few comments so I don't get the impression it's affecting many NewPipe users at present.
It's not just any random user. That's the mobile DDG browser that's being targeted. I guess user agents aren't allowed anymore, only spy agents that tattle on the user.
Most creators only have a small percentage of revenue from ads. A lot of the creators I like are demonetized anyways. Superchats and paid comments are way more lucrative than ads.
Google is in the malvertising business. Creators are not.
Presumably many would choose to block Invidious, and many would not. It sounds like none of them get a choice in the matter, which is why it's not crazy to question whether community is used as a euphemism in this case.
Google pulling the rug on the open web after years of benefitting from it is a shitty move. Then to inject corporate propaganda into alternative frontends after making the default experience miserable, even not considering the ads, is shittier still.
Community: A group nation, state, or body of people who share a common
cultural identity, joint possession or sharing of; property, wealth,
ethnicity, social organized relationships, having kinship, mutual
obligations etc.
One day all your online accounts could be blocked with the message: Your account is blocked. This helps protecting the community. In my case this kinda happened with most social networks on which my accounts are suspended. Yes my opinion is not default. But thats the issue.
Yeah, welcome to cloud feudalism (not a concept I invented). Just like the a serf in feudal lordships of old times, the lord can decide anything and you have to suffer the consequences. Maybe if you scream loud enough they'll hear you, but the castle decides, the henchmen execute and they don't listen to your protests.
If you do not make your own silicon, write your own software, and maintain your own Internet connection, you are at the mercy of vendors and service providers.
If you're finding yourself blocked amoungst MOST social networks, you might consider your tone and language. You've got to be posting pretty vile stuff to get banned from most social networks.
the funnier part is that the youtube comment section of just about any video is filled with bot comments that logged in. so how is logged in helping at all ???
I run a personal, private instance and things appear to still be working on my end. I also have some of my favorite channels backed up with tube-archivist. I hope I'm not the only one since a crackdown by Google was only a matter of time...
When I'm reading articles on the BBC, it gives me a popover prompting me to log in "to continue". I can immediately close it to no consequence whatsoever.
I have never figured out to what I would possibly be continuing.
on another note, i am observing that some alternative frontend are now openly allowing its users to directly get the video data from youtube servers, which might be flying near the sun a bit too much.
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> Invidious is an alternative front-end to YouTube
Among minority market-share browsers Safari gets more attention because the users are wealthier -> ad impressions can be sold for more.
They have. Do you know how many ads they can stuff into people's faces now?
Youtube is unbearable without ablock. If there are people who are able to watch it like that, then it shows just how long you can boil the proverbial frog.
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Right now what you like doesn't matter. You are a ghost roaming.
But I won't watch ads.
Blocking ads can be viewed as theft from the creators and many creators do see it this way
And nobody should care.
Aren't you cheating yourself out of future content? Whatever you like doesn't matter to the creator.
If I'm a heavy YT Premium user, is it possible for my views to be worth less than ad-generated views?
I'm curious how that works. After all, there's still only $14 per Premium user per month to go around.
I don’t know if it’s that developers don’t do sufficient QA testing in Firefox, or the creators of Firefox have fallen behind.
Either way it doesn’t bode well. I’m being forced to reach for Chrome more and more just to get certain websites to work, especially ChatGPT. It is way buggier in Firefox than Chrome. It feels like OpenAI doesn’t have a single person doing QA testing in Firefox, and why should they? It’s a sliver of the market.
If anyone at Mozilla/Firefox is reading this, this is really bad. This is the kind of thing that signals the death of something in the not too distant future.
>People expect websites to work regardless of the device or browser they are using. When a site works in one browser but not another, that is most likely a web compatibility bug that we want to know about.
Issue search: https://webcompat.com/issues
https://webcompat.com/issues?q=youtube
I recall reading a post here on HN that Google has been found from time to time to intentionally cripple the FF user agent, which in turn led me to "discover" the sheets bug fix.
This does not change much about what you wrote, but it's at least something to do against malicious incompatibility
I browse the web this way and I've in total found exactly one problem on any site I've visited in the past year.
Google needs to fire their entire UI/UX staff, this is "my first website" levels of usability. 2004-era websites were more functional.
Modern computing in a nutshell.
Because Google has run the numbers and the ad revenue his drivel generates ekes them out a profit.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPF-oYb2-xN5FbCXy0167Gg
Google is in the malvertising business. Creators are not.
Personally speaking, if low quality "creators" suffer I won't feel bad.
Is this something a creator can do on their own today? How many of them are aware of Invidious?
I don't think so Google
Did you mean?
Serf: minion, peon, puppet, slave, captive, chattel, servant, subject, workhorse etc
https://codeberg.org/mister_monster/YouTube2Peertube
In case anyone wants to help resolve this issue once and for all.
I have never figured out to what I would possibly be continuing.
on another note, i am observing that some alternative frontend are now openly allowing its users to directly get the video data from youtube servers, which might be flying near the sun a bit too much.