Ask HN: How do you structure your shared finances with your spouse/partner
My fiancé and I are getting married next year and have started to think about how we’ll structure our finances together.
How do you structure your day to day spending? Do you have a joint checking/savings/credit card setup, keep things separate or a hybrid approach? We’re based in the US and want optimize for simplicity.
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[ 4.6 ms ] story [ 227 ms ] threadFor large items we’ll transfer back and forth as needed and one person makes the payment.
My partner and I have very different spending habits, and seeing that line-by-line would cause daily friction.
Having them separated gives us both discretion and autonomy.
We have "calibrated" the direct deposit amounts to minimize the need to move money across the accounts. If money "backs up" in one or the other, we move it into investments, but month-to-month, practically everything is on autopilot.
I think that's about as operationally simple as it gets, which was also a huge priority for us.
Savings and investments are all consolidated and jointly-owned wherever possible and I maintain a periodic (slightly more than quarterly) update of that manually by looking at the Vanguard, Etrade, Fidelity, etc accounts.
* The third credit card account is a Chase Amazon account for the better cash back on that card. It's only used for Amazon, so it's easier to spot anything unusual.
If a heavy saver marries a heavy spender, I'm not sure that there exists an arrangement of accounts that will solve the problem, but separation of accounting may reduce likelihood or delay the inevitability...
- Our salary goes to our individual savings accounts.
- A shared checkings account gets topped up to $5000 every month, proportionally to both of our salaries, to optimize for equal purchasing power when buying shared stuff.
- We don't really budget anything because we save quite a bit, but we do classify all bank transactions into a few categories and look at a month-by-month matrix every few months.
- Both the topping up and generating the analytics are automated processes, so it's pretty headache-free.
I'm assuming this isn't automated, right? Asking because if your bank does somehow allow an automatic transfer based on a target amount in an account that'd be really cool.
It's a tedious process but now I don't have to care about this anymore. Although probably the total time required was higher than any time I'll save in the future.
I think this peace of mind keeps decisions about joint assets less contentious.
One account for me, one account for them, and one shared account from which "shared" bills come from - be it rent or mortgage, electricity, food, etc.
Sometimes a person will say "I drove you to the countryside will you give me money?" or I'll say "I bought us tickets for a gig, you wanna pay me back, or you wanna buy me beer all night?" So sometimes there is some play back and forth about expenses/costs, but typically we transfer just enough to the shared account to cover the expected outgoings each month.
Bigger purchases (car, new heating system) we discuss individually based on our savings and income at the time.
Finances are a common source of strife in marriages. Getting and staying on the same page is critical. Communicate about finances openly and often. Budget together. Review the budget together regularly. It sounds like you are already starting this. That is a good sign. Never stop.
As far as your specific question: I'd recommend joint for day to day and emergency fund. While its simpler, the main reason is mental: its not my money and your money, its our money. We do keep investments separate, but its still "ours".
That is just a recommendation though. Its more important that you both talk about and agree on your approach.
I appreciate the advice. I am a firm believer in structuring things to encourage the desired mental load.
You want to know what is going to work for you.
What conversations have you had with your future spouse about finances? What do you value (e.g. what is worth parting with you money for)? How do make decisions about day to day spending, big expenses, savings rate, long-term planning, investing, retirement?
Are you on the same page on all of those things? Do you disagree on how much to save and invest?
Is "simplicity" the only thing you really prioritize?
I try to keep a balance of $50k in our checking account (it's a minimum that our bank sets to give us perks and a free safety deposit box). At the end of the month, if we over that, my partner knows that we can splurge on dining, vacations, or other stuff. If we are under that, we tighten our spending for a bit until we are back over it.
I tried all sorts of budgeting and tracking ideas, but most just weren't worth the effort.
For myself we have joint everything, and then purchases over a certain threshold we need each others permission.
That's a full $1,000 a year of taxable income.
Anything less than five figures isn't worth a few hours of hassle.
$50k liquid is better than 3 days to clear bank money.
I am familiar with the perks for BoA and they are not worth losing out on high yield interest at this range. If the reason is for safe deposit though (as the OP said) it is very much not worth it. (I can't find on google Fidelity perks easily, mortgage is the only one that could plausibly make sense, but I am skeptical of that.)
So my high yield is liquid, I can do large purchases on credit card and pay it off with high yield. It did only take a few hours to create the account for what it is worth, so again IMO worth it over parking a large sum of money in a checking.
We each have our own bank account(s) and credit cards and our own budget in YNAB. I manage both budgets but only do hers when she’s present.
We agreed on what constitutes a shared expense ahead of time (mortgage, utilities, etc) and split them based on what percentage of last month’s household income (post-tax) each of us earned. This is variable since we both do some contracting/consulting outside of our day jobs.
For going out, vacations, shared groceries, etc., we just split things as we go. We have a joint savings account that we put the same amount of money in each month and use for travel etc.
A friend and his girlfriend have a joint credit card that they put all shared expenses on and split at the end of each month, but managing that in YNAB is not the smoothest so we haven’t done that yet. Might write some software to make it easier.
There’s an acronym for that.
DINK’s == Double Income No Kids
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I used combinations of checks, cash, and PayPal to give them money when they needed it. Eventually I admitted I didn't want a partner who never had any income of their own.
If you can really help it, don't marry anyone.
I don't know how to say this without it sounding critical, have you ever considered thst you might be suffering from narcissistic personality disorder?
Close relationships are very hard for me. I can count on one finger the number of close friendships I've had that were not romantic relationships. I can count on two fingers the number of romantic relationships I've had. I'm 35 so I'm not old but not young. It's probably a combo of gifted-kid BS and autism and general being an engineer, plus having a sudden glow-up a few years ago and feeling unlovable and ugly before that.
The motivation is that I'm no longer yelled at by the person I love the most, who I'm supporting financially and emotionally. They were right about some things, my depression got to them, I probably should have left sooner, I probably should not have escalated as far as I did, and I am just kinda having a mid-life crisis and trying to make up for my 20s being boring.
Do you think I did it all for no reason? Do you think people regularly get married despite having no love at all, then divorce for no reason? Maybe it's fair to say I only had a crush, not real love. We should teach kids the difference. Nobody told me.
This is what I was wondering, and why I suggested there might be some kind of emotional disorder involved. From your most recent post you sound completely normal, the marriage wasn't working out and you felt like it was hostile. This sounds like a pretty typical failed marriage.
From your original post, you simply said "Eventually I admitted I didn't want a partner who never had any income of their own." as the only motivation for why you divorced, and in your initial response you didn't seem to be surprised by my interpretation at all.
Thank you for tolerating my curiosity!
All of your income that's not invested for retirement goes to a joint account, every 1st of the month. From that joint account, you then move the money to many different accounts and/or prepaid credit cards: - Day to day expenses, like groceries. - "Irregularities": municipal taxes, school taxes, things that don't happen every month, like car inspection, veterinary, vacation expenses. You add everything in a spreadsheet that you keep, and divide by 12. Add some padding. - Home improvements, aka "IKEA" account. Fixed amount every month. If it's a good that you buy to add you our home (coffee machine, chair, curtain, etc.), that's the account. If it's a consumable (gas for the car), use "day to day expenses". - Individual accounts: each one of you have an account that you decide what to do with. Buying clothes, hobby, etc. aka "I'm an adult, I do what I want". - Kids: There's always something to buy. Clothes, etc. - Automatic payments are taken from the main joint account, but you could also have another account if it makes it easier.
This method can get confusing and you may need to move money from one account to another one when the wrong card was used. But the main advantage is that it automatically budgets for you. You see the amount remaining for the month for everything. Otherwise, you may think that you still have plenty of money to spend on the grocery, so you buy a nice coffee machine, and then the mortgage and car payments happen and you're left with nothing for the rest of the month to do the grocery.
The main goals we had when using this method were to never use a credit card (and lose track of how much money we have), and also accommodate for the discrepancy in our revenues at the time.
Bills / savings/ investments / daily living expenses come from that (via credit card or checking account).
We also pay each other some pocket money to spend on our own hobbies and other stuff.
I recommend just opening a shared account and putting a bit above the bare minimum into it. Keep some "you" cash so you can always buy yourself stuff, and you know, if you're ever buying surprise presents, she doesn't need to know. ;) Other people just join it all, and call it a day.
I only join whatever is a dual-expense, otherwise, its either on her, or on me solely.