While out of school activities are a difficult grey zone, the article talks a lot about in school activities as being examples of systematic repression of Apache culture.
But what exactly do you want from a Lutheran school? The article's constant red-herring about the race of "most of" the people at the school is draining. The issue is right there in the name of the school.
Skipping over my general dislike for schools being combined with any form of religion, what school should they go to?
Also why build a Lutheran school in an Apache reservation and not expect them to integrate some degree of their own culture into their new found Christian belief?
From what I understand this seems to be the closest school to them in their reservation. (citation needed)
But in general I can’t believe that one can be expelled in the 21st century in a western country under the reasoning of „doing something satanic“?!
What even is the definition of satanic? I actually want to doubt that that is their official reason of expulsion.
>Also why build a Lutheran school in an Apache reservation and not expect them to integrate some degree of their own culture into their new found Christian belief?
To provide education informed by and providing Lutheran Christian values and practices.
Different Christian denominations have difference ideas about what constitutes valid syncretic Christian practice vs heterodoxy, paganism, or outright devil worship.
The Catholics are notorious for allowing a surprising amount of syncretism, and the average Protestant is known for alleging even the Catholics are practicing ugodly polytheism.
Do you believe it would be better that the Lutheran's didn't build a school there at all? It's not a purely rhetorical question, I can imagine arguments for that position.
>But in general I can’t believe that one can be expelled in the 21st century in a western country under the reasoning of „doing something satanic“?!
Is it actually hard to believe that a Lutheran school would throw you out for that, or is this rhetorical? Are you making a statement about your shock that religious schools are even allowed to exist, or what exactly?
> why build a Lutheran school in an Apache reservation and not expect them to integrate...
They built to school specifically to convert the locals and destroy their culture. The explicit goal of building the school was the direct opposite of "...integrate some degree of their own culture..."
Starts with first contact, continues until they've beaten the old ways out of the children.
It's not just religion, it's a broader colonial habit, when the English settled in Ireland and Wales they provided English schools and savagely beat children who spoke Gaelic or Welsh.
The Tongans in the article are Christian missionaries, some of the aboriginals in the article are converts, others are not.
Australia gets a lot of missionaries, W.Australia once had a web listing of missions in the state, it was well over a hundred organisations all seeking to save the aboriginals (the Pintupi Nine walked out of the desert here in 1984 never having seen or heard of Europeans or Jesus prior to that).
Before the Tongan Christian missionaries were burning and destroying traditional aboriginal artefacts we've had numerous other Christian missionaries doing the same; the Lutherans varied, Carl Strehlow observed and documented (with some bias) although significant artefacts he was entrusted with were sent away without permission and destroyed all the same in WWII firebombing, other Lutherans were far less tolerant.
The Christian Brothers took in both aboriginal children and post war British orphan children and were rather famously even handed, they treated all as slave labor and catamites for venel pleasure (bald fact I'm afraid, there's an entire multi year Royal Commission investigating that alone).
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[ 3.0 ms ] story [ 30.4 ms ] threadBut what exactly do you want from a Lutheran school? The article's constant red-herring about the race of "most of" the people at the school is draining. The issue is right there in the name of the school.
Also why build a Lutheran school in an Apache reservation and not expect them to integrate some degree of their own culture into their new found Christian belief?
From what I understand this seems to be the closest school to them in their reservation. (citation needed)
But in general I can’t believe that one can be expelled in the 21st century in a western country under the reasoning of „doing something satanic“?!
What even is the definition of satanic? I actually want to doubt that that is their official reason of expulsion.
To provide education informed by and providing Lutheran Christian values and practices.
Different Christian denominations have difference ideas about what constitutes valid syncretic Christian practice vs heterodoxy, paganism, or outright devil worship.
The Catholics are notorious for allowing a surprising amount of syncretism, and the average Protestant is known for alleging even the Catholics are practicing ugodly polytheism.
Do you believe it would be better that the Lutheran's didn't build a school there at all? It's not a purely rhetorical question, I can imagine arguments for that position.
>But in general I can’t believe that one can be expelled in the 21st century in a western country under the reasoning of „doing something satanic“?!
Is it actually hard to believe that a Lutheran school would throw you out for that, or is this rhetorical? Are you making a statement about your shock that religious schools are even allowed to exist, or what exactly?
They built to school specifically to convert the locals and destroy their culture. The explicit goal of building the school was the direct opposite of "...integrate some degree of their own culture..."
I really don’t understand why one would expel someone for this, even if they did it in their school break.
Googled it and thank the lord expulsions like these or even compulsory religion classes are actually illegal in my country. Still utterly insane.
The Christian converts who are setting fire to sacred Aboriginal objects (2019)
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-09-20/the-christian-convert...
Starts with first contact, continues until they've beaten the old ways out of the children.
It's not just religion, it's a broader colonial habit, when the English settled in Ireland and Wales they provided English schools and savagely beat children who spoke Gaelic or Welsh.
Australia gets a lot of missionaries, W.Australia once had a web listing of missions in the state, it was well over a hundred organisations all seeking to save the aboriginals (the Pintupi Nine walked out of the desert here in 1984 never having seen or heard of Europeans or Jesus prior to that).
Before the Tongan Christian missionaries were burning and destroying traditional aboriginal artefacts we've had numerous other Christian missionaries doing the same; the Lutherans varied, Carl Strehlow observed and documented (with some bias) although significant artefacts he was entrusted with were sent away without permission and destroyed all the same in WWII firebombing, other Lutherans were far less tolerant.
The Christian Brothers took in both aboriginal children and post war British orphan children and were rather famously even handed, they treated all as slave labor and catamites for venel pleasure (bald fact I'm afraid, there's an entire multi year Royal Commission investigating that alone).
Jimmy Chi's original stage play was far more damning .. the film was watered down: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTiXSmQET2E