Data will still be harvested. Logs that indicate when or how it was harvested, where it has been sent, or who has accessed it - those are the things that will be killed.
Its not as nefarious as you think, often its about avoiding a large legal bill for your lawyers to review all the crap before sending it in. I know when i had to deal with this a decade ago the bill for review came out to almost as much as the bs settlement offer we got from the government (which was less than half of just the projected cost of going to court to fight and almost certainly win). We settled because we couldnt afford to fight. This regulatory stuff is basically an extortion racket all around.
Not sure about your opinion about TeamViewer in particular, but if you manage any MacOS servers there's not much alternative but to have some form of remote desktop client in my experience. If you're on a team where everyone has Macbooks, you probably just use the builtin screen sharing app though.
For Windows environments you're probably using Remote Desktop, which, enough said there.
I dumped TeamViewer a few months ago in favor of Google Remote Desktop. It satisfies my occasional low bar requirements, and doesn't make me feel guilty for using it without pay. I connect between iPad, Windows, Linux, a couple of times a month. Easiest thing I've found so far.
The revenue tunnel vision disease that PMs have, totally ignoring features and other important things that have not a direct impact on that number. Hopefully we'll get a vaccine soon!
On a more serious note, security breaches can happen to anyone. Might not be fair to assume it's the PMs negligence. In fact, I met some that really saw the value in security and cared to dedicate the resources on it even if that meant not shipping more features.
I don't think this is the "gotcha" you think it is.
1. The developer isn't Chinese, he's Singaporean. The "Chinese" found in the cert path was literally gibberish, most likely garbled unicode.
2. They were using a dev cert for a virtual video driver, which they're working on getting proper signing from MSFT and also have a workaround virtual driver in the mean time. https://x.com/rustdesk/status/1781263566504653052
> I don't think this is the "gotcha" you think it is.
Sorry it came across as a "gotcha"; just meant as a potentially-relevant HN post from a few months ago in the spirit of sharing and curiosity.
But digging a bit further, I did find a few HN comments from two years ago that may be worth considering; pizza234's "I personally discourage people from using this software."[1] and proto_lambda's "If this is the kind of thing that's considered acceptable by the developer, I'd rather keep their products far away from my machines."[2]
Is there one that supports MS RDP or FreeRDP? For me that would be quite an improvement, if the people who need support don't need to install anything and it's built-in in their OS. The other issue with RDP/FreeRDP/TeamViewer alternatives for me is that people are behind routers with dynamic IPs, and certainly not capable of setting up a dynds server or firewall settings or port forwarding.
So TeamViewer-like ID system + RDP in open source?
Agreed, unfortunately it's difficult to get purchase in a lot of companies because they don't want to be responsible for the security of the solution, and they don't want to be responsible for the maintenance of the solution. It's another form of corporate CYA, at the end of the day they just want to be able to point the blame for any security breaches towards someone else.
Love that you've been creating an alternative to the commercial, close-source, solutions!
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-01-26/doj-ftc-w...
or https://archive.is/T5f3G
For Windows environments you're probably using Remote Desktop, which, enough said there.
In general any Mac can serve its desktop to the Apple Remote Desktop client:
https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/allow-apple-remote-...
Also can support most any VNC viewer. But FileVault has to have been unlocked.
That's how you know it's secure /s
https://jumpdesktop.com
https://www.teamviewer.com/en/resources/trust-center/securit...
TeamViewer's corporate network was breached in alleged APT hack https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/teamviewers-c...
On a more serious note, security breaches can happen to anyone. Might not be fair to assume it's the PMs negligence. In fact, I met some that really saw the value in security and cared to dedicate the resources on it even if that meant not shipping more features.
https://www.techradar.com/pro/security/hackers-target-teamvi...
Not surprising, if Teamviewer lets other people control your machine by design.
Been using it locally over a zerotier network for over 2 years now. Bulletproof.
It works.
There was a scare about accepting certificates from. "Chinese Devs" but they removed that I think.
It is being built like a war machine, copying features left and right.
It does have keyboard issues, persisting but still good
https://github.com/rustdesk/rustdesk
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39256493
1. The developer isn't Chinese, he's Singaporean. The "Chinese" found in the cert path was literally gibberish, most likely garbled unicode.
2. They were using a dev cert for a virtual video driver, which they're working on getting proper signing from MSFT and also have a workaround virtual driver in the mean time. https://x.com/rustdesk/status/1781263566504653052
Sorry it came across as a "gotcha"; just meant as a potentially-relevant HN post from a few months ago in the spirit of sharing and curiosity.
But digging a bit further, I did find a few HN comments from two years ago that may be worth considering; pizza234's "I personally discourage people from using this software."[1] and proto_lambda's "If this is the kind of thing that's considered acceptable by the developer, I'd rather keep their products far away from my machines."[2]
[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31457238
[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31456522
So TeamViewer-like ID system + RDP in open source?
But I appreciate your work.
Love that you've been creating an alternative to the commercial, close-source, solutions!