These judgements can be skipped to make your point, which was a good one - specifics are more useful than generalizations.
These are ancient issues. And being honest won't make much of dent, without understanding the history and sociology of them. Its like Snowden saying here is the truth. Didn't change anything, cause there are deeper issues at play.
Please don't cross into personal attack or name-calling, and please don't post in the flamewar style to HN. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.
> To respect women also means to tell them honestly when their ideas have no basis and do not make sense.
Good point. Persecution complexes can happen to both men and women but it seems 'easier' to tell it to men, and that's an unfair bias which disadvantages the women who suffer from it. To overcome this bias, people must feel secure in telling women when their complaints about persecution aren't reasonable. This seems like a tall order though.
Please don't cross into personal attack or name-calling, and please don't post in the flamewar style to HN. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.
also, "culture war" is a ridiculous term. is it a war to discuss how women and queer folks are treated by the society around them? where tech has a role in both the treatment and, potentially, the remedies?
I had a lot of conciliatory thoughts on this and spent a lot of time trying to put words to them, but when I asked why I would want to enable someone who uses me as a man as the icon of their iconoclasm, I didn't have an answer. We're just not on the same team.
Harrassment is an awful phenomenon, and preventing it is a matter of holding men to higher standards, and not lower ones. Setting boundaries demonstrates respect, and the effects of lacking boundaries are often the same as failing to respect them. Men who lack boundaries aren't very good, and women without them aren't very good either. Showing respect for others and oneself is the best way to demonstrate them. Does someone treat themselves with respect, and do they treat others with respect- and is it clear they know what that means? Those are the people on my team. It's a small minority, but historically, we prevail.
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[ 2.6 ms ] story [ 24.7 ms ] threadThese judgements can be skipped to make your point, which was a good one - specifics are more useful than generalizations.
These are ancient issues. And being honest won't make much of dent, without understanding the history and sociology of them. Its like Snowden saying here is the truth. Didn't change anything, cause there are deeper issues at play.
https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
Good point. Persecution complexes can happen to both men and women but it seems 'easier' to tell it to men, and that's an unfair bias which disadvantages the women who suffer from it. To overcome this bias, people must feel secure in telling women when their complaints about persecution aren't reasonable. This seems like a tall order though.
https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
I've been posting links about the overlap of tech and culture because tech does not exist in a vacuum and HN is often blinkered about these topics.
Harrassment is an awful phenomenon, and preventing it is a matter of holding men to higher standards, and not lower ones. Setting boundaries demonstrates respect, and the effects of lacking boundaries are often the same as failing to respect them. Men who lack boundaries aren't very good, and women without them aren't very good either. Showing respect for others and oneself is the best way to demonstrate them. Does someone treat themselves with respect, and do they treat others with respect- and is it clear they know what that means? Those are the people on my team. It's a small minority, but historically, we prevail.