> The culprit appears to be network infrastructure
Not a lot of the network infrastructure runs on Windows. From previous public statements and information out there, most of Azure's network stack is Linux-based.
> Am I suffering from confirmation bias from HN bubble
I'll be getting downvoted for it but imho Ms never really cared about creating good software products and has been shoveling (at best) mediocrity through their wildly successful sales channels and through developing a stranglehold on public institutions (vendor lock-in). Azure is just another angle.
I know, but C# is quickly turning into my favorite socially acceptable back end language; and Visual Code is a decent editor, with awesome integrations, another winner.
Fucks sake.
At least Windows is quickly turning into exactly the kind of dumpster fire I would expect.
define easily! if people go all in on Azure they become very deeply entrenched. Granted it is usually something that could be migrated from, but not without a significant cost if you already have a lot of infrastructure on it.
If you're in a large corporation, it might not be that easy. I've been at multiple companies that have left AWS due to the fact that Amazon has in other lines of business been a competitor. So we're locked in for reasons that are completely unrelated to technology. It would be so much better if AWS spun off into it's own company.
This is mostly immeasurable and unanswerable. They've had lots of good/better tech that's succeeded in the marketplace (Active Directory, DirectX) and hasn't (windows phone 8) for a whole variety of reasons.
They have tech that's solid, but more niche, like .NET/C# which is applied more in the enterprise than internet oriented software. The windows NT kernel is a solid piece of engineering compared to other OSes (it was originally designed/developed by Dave Cutler who came from DEC and did VMS and applied/improved a lot of the concepts there), but has often been hindered by shit thrown on top of it.
Microsoft has done a lot, both good and bad. But a lot of the reasons they're as successful as they are is for the "bad" stuff, like extreme support for backwards compatibility, getting "good enough" to market while other companies languished in perfectionism or distraction (cough cough apple before 2000).
You’re either suffering from confirmation bias or were mistaken about how well they were doing.
Microsoft has been middling for as long as I can remember. They’re not awful, but they’re also not exceptionally good.
They get by on being good enough that it’s easier to use another of their products than to buy in to a better solution.
The outages are somewhat new, but I think in large part because they didn’t host a whole lot a decade ago. They mostly sold software that buyers had to manage.
> It's not just Microsoft's Azure customers who are turning to Linux. Guthrie explained, "Native Azure services are often running on Linux. Microsoft is building more of these services. For example, Azure's Software Defined Network (SDN) is based on Linux."
Large chunks of it are still running on .NET, but nowadays, that's an open source cross-platform framework, so they're running it on Linux, mostly within containers.
The choice of Linux was controversial when Azure was built. It caused a huge issue with the Windows Server team. But it's what customers wanted, and Azure was built very pragmatically.
Yeah they ran on FreeBSD, but despite multiple attempts IIRC they didn't fully pull off the migration until Windows 2000. There was a relatively honest paper they wrote about the transition:
https://web.archive.org/web/20021021164226/http://www.securi...
How is this “another” Microsoft outage? I assume the first outage the article is referring to was the crowdstrike issue (not a Microsoft caused issue).
Or perhaps I’m not aware of a different non-crowdstrike Microsoft outage recently?
In common usage, "new outage" assumes generally assumes, well, new-as-compared-to-something-else. So yes, while the literal meanings are different, I'd interpret them as synonyms in this context.
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[ 59.4 ms ] story [ 1049 ms ] threadNot a lot of the network infrastructure runs on Windows. From previous public statements and information out there, most of Azure's network stack is Linux-based.
> Am I suffering from confirmation bias from HN bubble
Yes.
> Yes.
Good to know
Businessmen as well as politicians are not interested in quality, it's just sales numbers and reelection.
Fucks sake.
At least Windows is quickly turning into exactly the kind of dumpster fire I would expect.
To my knowledge, they always were between average and terrible, compared to their competitors
This "whatever makes most money is the right thing to do" thinking is bad. We need to do better.
It will kill the world while looking very good on the quarterly report.
They have tech that's solid, but more niche, like .NET/C# which is applied more in the enterprise than internet oriented software. The windows NT kernel is a solid piece of engineering compared to other OSes (it was originally designed/developed by Dave Cutler who came from DEC and did VMS and applied/improved a lot of the concepts there), but has often been hindered by shit thrown on top of it.
Microsoft has done a lot, both good and bad. But a lot of the reasons they're as successful as they are is for the "bad" stuff, like extreme support for backwards compatibility, getting "good enough" to market while other companies languished in perfectionism or distraction (cough cough apple before 2000).
Microsoft has been middling for as long as I can remember. They’re not awful, but they’re also not exceptionally good.
They get by on being good enough that it’s easier to use another of their products than to buy in to a better solution.
The outages are somewhat new, but I think in large part because they didn’t host a whole lot a decade ago. They mostly sold software that buyers had to manage.
> It's not just Microsoft's Azure customers who are turning to Linux. Guthrie explained, "Native Azure services are often running on Linux. Microsoft is building more of these services. For example, Azure's Software Defined Network (SDN) is based on Linux."
https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-developer-reveals-li...
https://azure.status.microsoft/
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41000822