How to Deal with Loneliness as a Founder?

15 points by hello8273 ↗ HN
I am a founder. Our company has been around a few years. I am very blessed and our company is doing very well.

However, I really hate it and am burned out. I can’t quit, but not really sure how to deal with these feelings.

If I quit, the company will fail. It’ll destroy millions of dollars in value for employees, customers and myself.

What should I do? How do I deal with this? It also feels like a very first world problem and just hard to address with people I know.

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Not to make money, but as a CTO coach I'd say get a coach. A lot of the sessions with my clients is talking about their feelings, about them venting off, listening to things they can't talk to other people, and giving them a positive vision for the future, to many this helps.

BUT if there might be the slightest idea of a medical condition, get professional help.

Hire a CEO? Train someone to help do your job and concentrate on your health for a couple of months.
Founder life is difficult and grinding, make sure you have an outlet - sport, hobbies, family etc.

Also, hire and empower people to take off some of your work and responsibilities. For many years I didn’t have a proper vacation as I was trying to be always available and this is not the healthy way.

If you can, consider hiring a CEO/COO or get a cofounder.

I’ve been in a similar situation and my company (20 employees) failed 3 months ago so I’ve had some time to reflect on things now. I had similar feelings to you at various points in the life of the company and it wasn’t pleasant.

What kept me going was to carve out some personal time for non-professional relationships. Since you say you can’t have these sorts of conversations with your current network of friends you should probably expand that network until you find people that you can be open with.

I moved in with my girlfriend and we built a really solid relationship.

I invested more time in friendships that I had neglected for a few years.

I also started playing a team sport which did wonders for me both physically and socially. If you’re not much of a sportsman try golf.

It takes a while to build those things though so in the meantime you might try seeing a therapist. Paying someone to listen while you vent out loud in a safe environment is actually helpful and will make you feel better. I never saw myself as the type of person who would go to a psychotherapist but now I feel that my preconceptions about that were totally wrong.

Also if you have the money for it consider getting a cleaner to free yourself of as many domestic chores as possible.

But definitely do something before the problem gets worse. Building your company is just one facet in building the life you want but if you ignore everything else you risk building a prison for yourself instead.

Your answer resonates with me a lot. Disclosure: I'm not a founder, I'm still employed.

A very important insight for achieving my peace of mind was to have multiple sources for a feeling of accomplishment. Peace of mind is the state where I'm feeling fine and not lonely or bad. My sources are: Family and friends, physical activity and work. If one of the sources temporarily is running dry, I still have two other ones to rely on.

My sources are very parallel to the activities you picked up in order to counter your loneliness.

How about thinking deep on the reasons that made you hate what you have loved once and maybe work on it?
I think you have to accept that loneliness is part of the package, unless you take specific efforts to counter it.

Being a founder is inherently isolating because you probably work extreme hours, and are not a peer relationship with anyone else in the company apart from perhaps others in the C-suite due to the inherent power differential.

You say you can't quit, but I think you should rephrase that. You essentially acknowledge this yourself: you can quit, but doing so would have consequences. Turn that into an equation, and verbalize it / write it down. I'm not sure why, but it feels different than just thinking about it. On one side you have $X million dollars, and on the other side you have the costs associated with it: burnout, unhappiness, but also providing employment to others (not all negatives, fill out the equation as per your perspective)

Then break that down a little further: you might be able to address burnout (give yourself some odds, and a cost in time/energy for that attempt), quantify exactly how unhappy you are and how that's trending, and then acknowledge that regardless of how your company performs, your employees will (very likely) find other jobs. Most will do it anyway even if your company survives.

Your sides of the equation might look a little different, but the basic approach is to just divide it into an equation and start pulling apart the components. If you're unhappy but it's getting better, perhaps that's not so bad. If you're unhappy and are on the verge of suicide, it's worth thinking strongly about if it's time to move on.

From my understanding the general advice on burnout is that you should expect it to take months to recover from, but individual cases vary greatly.

On the subject of loneliness, I'd try focusing on non-professional relationships. There's too much power-play in professional relationships, even when there's no current exchange of value.

Perhaps most importantly, in your personal relationships, don't say what you do or be a bit vague. Be extremely modest. "I'm a founder of a company" becomes "I work at a startup" or "I'm in XYZ industry". Try to find people who enjoy being around you for your personality, not what you are.

Personally I went the other way and found hobbies I can do individually. There's a reason so many people in software turn to woodworking afterwards. There's a sense of progression, zero bureaucracy, and it feels like artisanship.

If I quit, the company will fail.

Successful succession is a first order priority of successful leadership. Working toward it might or might not mitigate your loneliness, but building a structure to make a successor successful will give you another option for moving on and solve a critical business problem.

The worst outcome will be about the same as the average outcome in the absence of a succession structure. Good luck.

It can be common for founders to go through an emotional roller coaster, especially before it has enough revenue to sustain itself. Once it can do that and you have many people (employees and customers) that depend on its continual success; you need to have a plan in case a key player quits or dies.

If you really feel that you can't talk to people in the company about your emotional state; then maybe approach it from another angle. Say "We need a plan in case I get hit by a bus tomorrow", and listen to their input. Part of your problem is you are worried that everything will fall apart without you.

Find some friends outside of work. Go to some meetup groups that look interesting, although it can take a while to find one with a good group that you really resonate with (I just found one after a long string of duds, that go to movies and dinner afterwards). Make sure you keep going to meetups for any groups you like.

Join some Discord groups, maybe you'll find one with people you can befriend. I got lucky with one that play a lot of board games online, which I also enjoy doing. And the movie group now has a discord too.

If nothing else, I find I can dull the loneliness a bit (when I have it) by having Youtube or Twitch in the background sometimes.

There is definitely some overlap between between having adhd/being on the spectrum and being good at tech and having drive/motivation to start/run companies.

While it may seem like there is something wrong with you, having and maintaining friendships relationship is an actual skill, which you just simply haven't had time to develop. Just like with everything, its gonna suck at first, requiring you to take time to do things that you may not enjoy, however it gets easier with practice.

Start with going to therapy and work from there.

If burned out one thing I would suggest is to prioritize yourself. Make time for a break, spend time with yourself to step back, assess and analyze the situation. This personally helped me to sort out my thoughts, think of a long term and short term plan. Reset and restart with a new hobby along with work. We all may feel like quitting at some point as a founder but a short break and reset helps us align our thoughts, prioritize what matters most. Personally what helped me is that I have started taking out conscious time for family and friends, daily meditation and reading.