I just turned 30 two days ago. Not exactly a realization, but I'd say I was entirely correct in emphasizing getting a quality partner and marriage before beginning to seriously focus on my career. Much easier to be smart and driven without any baggage now.
It's a bit esoteric. Personally, I see "the deal" I have with God / the World-Spirit / whatever you wanna call it as, you let me have a family I'm happy with, I'm happy to work my hardest to make this world a richer and more bountiful place. You take that away from me, I reserve the right to live like I owe you nothing, because I don't.
Money and material goods have always meant little to me in and of themselves, so I'm glad to see my deal has been on acceptable terms so far.
How were you able to do that if you didn’t have the career? Most women in the US are extremely focused on the income of their partner. Similarly, I found that many women divorce their husbands when the husband just doesn’t show up at home anymore and is only bringing money. The amount of alimony you can get is insane.
Edit: looks like you live in Finland. We’re not even comparing on the same scales at all.
I suspect your view of women's preferences is jaundiced. Most men earn average or below average incomes (by definition) but I don't see any data to suggest that there is a significant number of those men are unable to find women. That suggests to me that this idea of women only dating 6-foot tall men with 6-figure incomes is a myth.
I started writing up an answer, but then I thought "What drives someone to write such a nasty comment as this?" and read through some of your previous comments here.
I found https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39265275#39269460 and want to say it's very unfortunate the hand the world dealt you physique-wise. You clearly have other traits that some part of you feels should more than make up for the difference by now, but it's just not panning out, and that's a difficult place to be. I suspect you're not a religious man, but I will pray for you regardless.
1. Family is the most important “thing” in the world.
2. Things are not important at all. People are. Relationships are. Intentions and actions are.
3. Money matters. If you’re a professional - the smartest thing to do is optimize your career for the income, while doing what you can and love doing best.
Everything else (titles, satisfaction, feeling of importance, carbon footprint reduction or whatever is that you think important) follows the money eventually.
4. Decent people are usually excellent colleagues, good bosses, great employees. But not vice versa.
5. There are no simple answers to complex questions. But there are more and less correct answers. Not everything is just a matter of opinion (i.e. relativism doesn’t work).
6. Popular people are almost never best experts in their fields. Because they are busy being popular while true experts are busy being experts.
For example Jordan Peterson is far from being the best clinical psychologist.
Or Richard Dawkins who is amazingly incompetent about religions. Same goes for most “youtube programmers” etc.
Therefore real wisdom is never in podcasts, but rather in unpopular or time proven books.
7. Crowd is always dumber than individual people in it.
There are milestones in life and if you wait around you’ll never get to participate.
I did what I was supposed to at certain ages while I watched friends of mine forfeit common milestones because they thought life would just happen.
You have to make things happen. Nothing in life will just come around except death and taxes.
Take care of what you have to now before you can’t. You’ll eventually get so good at this that you’ll be able to lift others up. But if you make neglect a habit in life, it will chase you down every avenue.
1. That most people (including me) are utterly clueless a lot of the time, including people in very high positions of authority. Don't sweat figuring out the big questions or trying to solve problems that have been a feature of humanity for all of time.
1a. This is kind of a side point ... expertise in one thing doesn't make a person any good at other, unrelated fields. When I was younger, I used to think programmers (like me!) could solve the world's problems because "we're so smart and logical". I soon realised being a decent programmer just means I'm a decent programmer. Accepting this made me a lot more "chill".
2. Cynicism is probably justified – mankind has done A LOT of screwed up things – but ultimately unhelpful if you want to live a happy life. For those who've seen Everything, Everywhere, All At Once, the Ke Huy Quan character epitomises I think the best way one can live life – embrace the absurd, be happy with what you have, love your loved ones, be a bit silly and don't take everything too seriously.
Ah, the second one is sadly so familiar to me. So many great scientists end up becoming cranks in fields they're not familiar with due to the misconception that they just know everything/can figure out everything easily.
Looks at the non biologists pushing Intelligent Design or what not
That I'm a Dunning-Kruger idiot, and that I wish I had never asserted most of what I've asserted. I've cut myself off from most people that I've ever known because of this. End-stage embarrassment?
I can only "buckle down" for a certain number of years before I become insanely depressed and start asking what life has to offer for me
"Of course I'll focus on happiness and not obsess over early retiring as soon as possible" but then I obsessed a little anyway, spending almost no money on myself and staying miserable
Also the world is full of stupid assholes but even teenagers already know this
1. I don't have any strong interests. I like to dabble in many things, but nothing is interesting enough for me to stay with it if I don't have to.
2. The fun part of programming is conceptualizing (e.g. figuring out a new algorithm for 3d shading). Putting that concept into code is more or less a drudgery though, and it takes 90% of time. It's less of a drudgery in high-level languages and APIs (Scala, Apache Spark), and much more with anti-human things like C++ or Direct3D 12.
3. I'm not a great programmer. I can code for maybe 20 hours a week on average, anything beyond that requires strong caffeination and is basically a debt on the future.
4. It's much better to be invisible that to be famous or recognized. Fame draws so many idiots that have little to offer. Similarly, it's wiser to not flaunt wealth and have only people closest to me know that I'm actually fairly wealthy.
5. I am risk averse. Give me a steady job and steady investments over crazy startups or investment schemes.
I'm somewhat similar on these, but two is particularly funny to me. I always joke at work that we proved something was possible, and therefore the job is complete (we have a few stalled-out initiatives that we really need to finish up). The idea is the fun part, implementing it in the real world is the work, but that's why they pay you.
1. If you define your self worth in terms of usefulness to others, it really sucks when you retire and can't do stuff for others any more.
2. NEVER pay for storage of stuff, you'll end up purging most of it anyway, or your heirs will.
3. The words of the philosopher Jagger are profound:
You can't always get what you want,
But, if you try, sometimes you might find
You get what you need
4. Keeping a diary, the times I did it, are fun to re-read... I wish I had done it more. You can never take too many photos, if in doubt... take the picture, you'll not get the chance again later.
Diaries are super important. Sometimes you need an outlet to say things that you can't or won't say to others. They're also perfect for cataloging your life and memories, even mundane, normal days. I started ten years ago but started writing daily three years ago. Wish I did it sooner, like, during middle school.
Tech was the wrong career for me. Although I've been wildly successful on several indicators (startup acquired, another going public, FAANG, etc.), it was the worst career I could've been in for social success.
I should've done medicine, law, or finance. Any of those would've been miles ahead in terms of social status. Maybe I would've made less money (at least by this age - long term, it could balance out) but I wouldn't be grouped in with skinny fat nerds, overweight neckbeard redditors, or incels just cause of my profession. Similarly, I didn't know that 80% of my peers would be FOBs who have no interest in assimilating. When I look at the majority of those peers, they refuse to interact with anyone who isn't part of their home culture. This isn't exclusive to tech (if I was a quant it'd be the same issue) but it is insane all the same.
So, yeah, socially it's complete suicide. I had my reasons for not going into medicine, law, or finance but I should've ignored them and done it anyway.
That I'm going to die, and I don't know when or how, and there's nothing I can do about it.
The only thing that matters in life is the people you love, so choose who you love wisely, love them fully and treat those you claim to love well.
You are what you do in a very literal sense, your form follows your function, your very being is your actions. All that you leave behind is what you do, the effect you have on other people.
1. The perfect is the enemy of the good. Finishing things is more important than perfecting them.
2. It's who you know rather than what you know. Should have socialised more in school/college/university.
3. That I probably should have looked into things like internships when I was still in university, since a big flashy name on your CV early on opens a lot of doors.
4. No one's irreplaceable, and anyone's working/life situation could change at the drop of a hat, so constantly be learning to make sure you're not caught unaware when it happens.
5. Money should be your primary goal when looking for a job/career, and you should try to maximise the amount you make at every corner, and invest what remains in things you actually care about. Passion is for chumps.
Crystallized knowledge is a thing. Others call it wisdom.
You watch your cognitive abilities decline as you age, thinking this what downhill slope is what old age inevitably brings, then suddenly notice things you never understood become perfectly obvious. Human behaviour you thought came from nowhere becomes predictable.
Eventually you realise this has been happening all your life and you didn't notice it. Your ability to absorb me languages came and went without you ever realising it. In your youth shaped the language your generation would use and the music they liked, and then you stopped doing that without ever wondering why. In your young adult life your cohort would try thousands different experiments. Most would fail. A few would reshape society you live in, in ways you at the age of 10 couldn't have dreamed of.
I'm not sure what the mechanism behind wisdom is. I suspect your ability to reason didn't diminish overly, but your ability to absorb me information does. The net result is you get to focus the reasoning ability on what you've already learnt, without noise from the present servicing as a distraction. The result is crystallized knowledge. It must be pretty handy, given the number of leaders we have that are over 60.
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[ 3.4 ms ] story [ 72.4 ms ] threadMoney and material goods have always meant little to me in and of themselves, so I'm glad to see my deal has been on acceptable terms so far.
Edit: looks like you live in Finland. We’re not even comparing on the same scales at all.
I suspect your view of women's preferences is jaundiced. Most men earn average or below average incomes (by definition) but I don't see any data to suggest that there is a significant number of those men are unable to find women. That suggests to me that this idea of women only dating 6-foot tall men with 6-figure incomes is a myth.
I found https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39265275#39269460 and want to say it's very unfortunate the hand the world dealt you physique-wise. You clearly have other traits that some part of you feels should more than make up for the difference by now, but it's just not panning out, and that's a difficult place to be. I suspect you're not a religious man, but I will pray for you regardless.
Those people were wrong.
2. Things are not important at all. People are. Relationships are. Intentions and actions are.
3. Money matters. If you’re a professional - the smartest thing to do is optimize your career for the income, while doing what you can and love doing best.
Everything else (titles, satisfaction, feeling of importance, carbon footprint reduction or whatever is that you think important) follows the money eventually.
4. Decent people are usually excellent colleagues, good bosses, great employees. But not vice versa.
5. There are no simple answers to complex questions. But there are more and less correct answers. Not everything is just a matter of opinion (i.e. relativism doesn’t work).
6. Popular people are almost never best experts in their fields. Because they are busy being popular while true experts are busy being experts.
For example Jordan Peterson is far from being the best clinical psychologist. Or Richard Dawkins who is amazingly incompetent about religions. Same goes for most “youtube programmers” etc.
Therefore real wisdom is never in podcasts, but rather in unpopular or time proven books.
7. Crowd is always dumber than individual people in it.
Make money to buy a fancy car is not important.
Make money to invest in kids education is meaningful.
This is what I meant.
I did what I was supposed to at certain ages while I watched friends of mine forfeit common milestones because they thought life would just happen.
You have to make things happen. Nothing in life will just come around except death and taxes.
Take care of what you have to now before you can’t. You’ll eventually get so good at this that you’ll be able to lift others up. But if you make neglect a habit in life, it will chase you down every avenue.
1. That most people (including me) are utterly clueless a lot of the time, including people in very high positions of authority. Don't sweat figuring out the big questions or trying to solve problems that have been a feature of humanity for all of time.
1a. This is kind of a side point ... expertise in one thing doesn't make a person any good at other, unrelated fields. When I was younger, I used to think programmers (like me!) could solve the world's problems because "we're so smart and logical". I soon realised being a decent programmer just means I'm a decent programmer. Accepting this made me a lot more "chill".
2. Cynicism is probably justified – mankind has done A LOT of screwed up things – but ultimately unhelpful if you want to live a happy life. For those who've seen Everything, Everywhere, All At Once, the Ke Huy Quan character epitomises I think the best way one can live life – embrace the absurd, be happy with what you have, love your loved ones, be a bit silly and don't take everything too seriously.
But they can’t even get that right.
Looks at the non biologists pushing Intelligent Design or what not
I assert that I'm 67 years old.
"Of course I'll focus on happiness and not obsess over early retiring as soon as possible" but then I obsessed a little anyway, spending almost no money on myself and staying miserable
Also the world is full of stupid assholes but even teenagers already know this
2. The fun part of programming is conceptualizing (e.g. figuring out a new algorithm for 3d shading). Putting that concept into code is more or less a drudgery though, and it takes 90% of time. It's less of a drudgery in high-level languages and APIs (Scala, Apache Spark), and much more with anti-human things like C++ or Direct3D 12.
3. I'm not a great programmer. I can code for maybe 20 hours a week on average, anything beyond that requires strong caffeination and is basically a debt on the future.
4. It's much better to be invisible that to be famous or recognized. Fame draws so many idiots that have little to offer. Similarly, it's wiser to not flaunt wealth and have only people closest to me know that I'm actually fairly wealthy.
5. I am risk averse. Give me a steady job and steady investments over crazy startups or investment schemes.
2. NEVER pay for storage of stuff, you'll end up purging most of it anyway, or your heirs will.
3. The words of the philosopher Jagger are profound:
4. Keeping a diary, the times I did it, are fun to re-read... I wish I had done it more. You can never take too many photos, if in doubt... take the picture, you'll not get the chance again later.with the take all pictures and don't store much stuff philosophy, i felt you're the right person to ask for advice on this.
I don't pay other people to store them, though. I use Backblaze to back up whole machines, which is flat rate.
I should've done medicine, law, or finance. Any of those would've been miles ahead in terms of social status. Maybe I would've made less money (at least by this age - long term, it could balance out) but I wouldn't be grouped in with skinny fat nerds, overweight neckbeard redditors, or incels just cause of my profession. Similarly, I didn't know that 80% of my peers would be FOBs who have no interest in assimilating. When I look at the majority of those peers, they refuse to interact with anyone who isn't part of their home culture. This isn't exclusive to tech (if I was a quant it'd be the same issue) but it is insane all the same.
So, yeah, socially it's complete suicide. I had my reasons for not going into medicine, law, or finance but I should've ignored them and done it anyway.
The only thing that matters in life is the people you love, so choose who you love wisely, love them fully and treat those you claim to love well.
You are what you do in a very literal sense, your form follows your function, your very being is your actions. All that you leave behind is what you do, the effect you have on other people.
1. The perfect is the enemy of the good. Finishing things is more important than perfecting them.
2. It's who you know rather than what you know. Should have socialised more in school/college/university.
3. That I probably should have looked into things like internships when I was still in university, since a big flashy name on your CV early on opens a lot of doors.
4. No one's irreplaceable, and anyone's working/life situation could change at the drop of a hat, so constantly be learning to make sure you're not caught unaware when it happens.
5. Money should be your primary goal when looking for a job/career, and you should try to maximise the amount you make at every corner, and invest what remains in things you actually care about. Passion is for chumps.
That's probably contributing to your misery. It is clear now why nobody want to be your friend.
Please share your experience.
You watch your cognitive abilities decline as you age, thinking this what downhill slope is what old age inevitably brings, then suddenly notice things you never understood become perfectly obvious. Human behaviour you thought came from nowhere becomes predictable.
Eventually you realise this has been happening all your life and you didn't notice it. Your ability to absorb me languages came and went without you ever realising it. In your youth shaped the language your generation would use and the music they liked, and then you stopped doing that without ever wondering why. In your young adult life your cohort would try thousands different experiments. Most would fail. A few would reshape society you live in, in ways you at the age of 10 couldn't have dreamed of.
I'm not sure what the mechanism behind wisdom is. I suspect your ability to reason didn't diminish overly, but your ability to absorb me information does. The net result is you get to focus the reasoning ability on what you've already learnt, without noise from the present servicing as a distraction. The result is crystallized knowledge. It must be pretty handy, given the number of leaders we have that are over 60.