Normally I would agree with you, but in this case I think it's using a weapon against a similar weapon. HR automation tools are the worst. I was recently searching for a job, my resume is pretty fantastic. I have amazing experience and it was reviewed by many friends, it's great.
Despite that I got rejected from a job whose top duties included subjects on which I literally published books. Literally wrote books with subject matter in the title, got published by publishers (not self published) and yet I got an email saying I didn't fit the job. Got very few callbacks which isn't a normal thing, I'm pretty sure most jobs didn't even let an engineer see my resume.
Why is it OK to waste out time with these postings and automated filtering?
How is that not spam?
I think it's a DoS attack against a firewall posing as a front door.
That's also a problem. Two wrongs don't make a right though.
I sometimes do small-time recruitment for my clients. Each spam resume I receive takes five to ten minutes of my time. Occasionally, a good resume might get missed. The more spam, the less attention I can pay per-resume, the more likely a good candidate will get overlooked.
I don't know what the stats are and it seems that a lot of people are complaining about fake or stale job postings on job boards. I'm sure there are fakes out there. However, it's hard to imagine that this is a wide-scale problem. The reason is that job posting on job boards for engineering jobs are expensive. It makes no sense to dish out a ton of money for jobs that don't exist. On the other hand, postings on company corporate sites are free, so perhaps that's where the problem is.
Regarding stale postings, it's inevitable. When I post an ad, I get X resumes during week one, and I start reviewing them. Some of those people get to an interview. As I am interviewing the first bath, more people are applying. At some point, I find a candidate and we like each other. There are still other people in the pipeline who get rejected because the position is filled. To them, it looks like a stale job posting.
They started the arms race by posting fake jobs and giving the runaround to good candidates. From a power dynamic, people NEED a job to have food and shelter. Established companies don't "need" you (specifically). Then you have the recruiters who flat-out lie about job details and send you to interviews for jobs that pay nothing or require a skill set that is the exact opposite of everything in your resume.
So, you have the company/recruiter with all the power dictating who is allowed to eat. On the other side, there are people seeking employment who get constantly rejected or jerked around for no fault of their own.
In this environment, trust in companies is gone. There is no reason or incentive to "play nice", I need to eat. I WILL do whatever is required to achieve that goal.
This guy should offer AI-job-applying as a service; I'd pay for it.
Some companies behave poorly, and we have every right to call them out.
When individual behave poorly, we should also call them out.
> In this environment, trust in companies is gone.
There are also companies who do good and have very decent recruitment processes.
> This guy should offer AI-job-applying as a service; I'd pay for it.
If people start spamming their resumes more and more, more companies will use automation more and more. Guess who wins this arms race.
I occasionally do small-time ultra-specialized technical recruiting for my clients. I routinely see the same unqualified people blasting their resumes after getting a reject. I can literally tell who they are from the thumbnail previous of their resume.
I don't have much automation. People blasting resumes for jobs they have no chance of landing causes real qualified people to get less attention. Imagine now you are qualified for a particular job, but some exhausted recruiter skips over your resume because they had to wade through so much chaff. You can read about one such experience in a sister comment to your post.
It's already easy for people to apply for jobs on LinkedIn. As a hiring manager, almost all the LinkedIn applications were low quality and not good fits. So it wasted a fair amount of my time, but at least it's easy to spot the ones that aren't suitable.
This tool will make it harder to distinguish between applicants who are keen and those who are just spamming all available jobs.
So congrats, you might make it to interview, but if your AI application does not accurately represent your skills, experience and interest in the role, you've just wasted a whole load of other people's time, including your own.
I'd say about half of resumes we put through to interview already over represent their true experience and ability, to an almost fraudulent degree.
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[ 2.1 ms ] story [ 59.2 ms ] threadDid you attend all 50 interviews? If not, you wasted even more people’s time.
People here are up in arms about spam. This is exactly what you are doing.
Can you improve your process to apply to fewer jobs and still generate that many interviews?
I've gone to interviews only to be informed that the position was taken and that they "only wanted to know me".
It seems to me that HRs have started a game and this is just the logical consequence.
Honestly this is just what companies have been asking for with their shitty hiring practices.
And they do so using automated tools that are much like what the OP was doing
Despite that I got rejected from a job whose top duties included subjects on which I literally published books. Literally wrote books with subject matter in the title, got published by publishers (not self published) and yet I got an email saying I didn't fit the job. Got very few callbacks which isn't a normal thing, I'm pretty sure most jobs didn't even let an engineer see my resume.
Why is it OK to waste out time with these postings and automated filtering?
How is that not spam?
I think it's a DoS attack against a firewall posing as a front door.
I sometimes do small-time recruitment for my clients. Each spam resume I receive takes five to ten minutes of my time. Occasionally, a good resume might get missed. The more spam, the less attention I can pay per-resume, the more likely a good candidate will get overlooked.
No one wins.
Regarding stale postings, it's inevitable. When I post an ad, I get X resumes during week one, and I start reviewing them. Some of those people get to an interview. As I am interviewing the first bath, more people are applying. At some point, I find a candidate and we like each other. There are still other people in the pipeline who get rejected because the position is filled. To them, it looks like a stale job posting.
They started the arms race by posting fake jobs and giving the runaround to good candidates. From a power dynamic, people NEED a job to have food and shelter. Established companies don't "need" you (specifically). Then you have the recruiters who flat-out lie about job details and send you to interviews for jobs that pay nothing or require a skill set that is the exact opposite of everything in your resume.
So, you have the company/recruiter with all the power dictating who is allowed to eat. On the other side, there are people seeking employment who get constantly rejected or jerked around for no fault of their own.
In this environment, trust in companies is gone. There is no reason or incentive to "play nice", I need to eat. I WILL do whatever is required to achieve that goal.
This guy should offer AI-job-applying as a service; I'd pay for it.
When individual behave poorly, we should also call them out.
> In this environment, trust in companies is gone.
There are also companies who do good and have very decent recruitment processes.
> This guy should offer AI-job-applying as a service; I'd pay for it.
If people start spamming their resumes more and more, more companies will use automation more and more. Guess who wins this arms race.
I occasionally do small-time ultra-specialized technical recruiting for my clients. I routinely see the same unqualified people blasting their resumes after getting a reject. I can literally tell who they are from the thumbnail previous of their resume.
I don't have much automation. People blasting resumes for jobs they have no chance of landing causes real qualified people to get less attention. Imagine now you are qualified for a particular job, but some exhausted recruiter skips over your resume because they had to wade through so much chaff. You can read about one such experience in a sister comment to your post.
This tool will make it harder to distinguish between applicants who are keen and those who are just spamming all available jobs.
So congrats, you might make it to interview, but if your AI application does not accurately represent your skills, experience and interest in the role, you've just wasted a whole load of other people's time, including your own.
I'd say about half of resumes we put through to interview already over represent their true experience and ability, to an almost fraudulent degree.
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And the GitHub repo:
https://github.com/feder-cr/linkedIn_auto_jobs_applier_with_...