Ask HN: Is it wrong to use my personal laptop for work?
At the company I just started working at, the computer has a company profile as well as Sophos antivirus, which, from what I can see, filters all traffic. However, I have another MacBook, and there are no requirements to use a VPN. We use GitHub, which means I can work on my personal MacBook.
In my contract, I’m not obligated to use the company laptop, and I believe these software tools are just to comply with some ISO standards.
From what I’ve noticed, the IT team monitors app usage, so I could leave the IDE open all the time.
So my question is: would it be wrong to use my personal computer for development?
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[ 3.2 ms ] story [ 174 ms ] threadThat's an excellent reason _not to do work_ until your work provides you with a better laptop.
Or at the very least only run these tests from CI, which will slow you down. But it's not your fault or your responsibility.
It is wildly unnaceptable for your work to require you to use a personal device because of this. Unless this is what you agreed on when signing the contract, I guess - but I gather this is not the case since your work provided you with a work laptop in the first place.
I've since (as of a week ago) moved team to a monolith stack, so I thought I'd be free of that nonsense, but it's worse. Just having Rider open on the codebase uses like 40GB lol.
The new laptop's coming in 3 weeks? I'm not going to not work for that long.
You can always ask your employer, they will probably have a more definitive answer than you will get here.
Always use the work laptop, don't ever use your personal. If the work laptop is not powerful enough, it's the duty of the company to give you something that has enough memory, disk space etc. If not, run away from said company.
It’s also not in my contract, but in the IT policy I need to acknowledge once a year.
> I believe these software tools are just to comply with some ISO standards.
“Some ISO standards” may be cumbersome or even pointless — but they help your company sell their products. Ignoring them is not a good idea.
Besides: if you use your private laptop, it may be subject to a legal hold in case of a lawsuit, giving someone else access to it.
Unethical? Definitely. Just use your work-supplied hardware for work-related purposes. Leave anything personal off it.
The laptop you use for work, whether it be personally supplied or supplied by the business, is subject to legal discovery and may be confiscated by law enforcement. Your company has no control over this. If you attempt to delete evidence from your personal laptop then you've committed a felony.
The only way I'd use a personal device for work is if I were using it to access a work-provided and maintained VDI.
If the company refused to tell you to unlock the laptop, they would be in trouble for refusing legal discovery, and if they were wanting to refuse legal discovery, they wouldn't have handed over the laptop in the first place.
If the company ordered you to unlock the laptop and you refused, you would be violating a lawful order of the court and would be held responsible.
That said, once again, I am not a lawyer, so I could be completely wrong
https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/contempt-of-court-de...
All that said it doesn’t mean you want to risk it for some company, even remotely. The guy probably weighted both deals after realizing where he’s in and chose a lighter one. You may want to not get either one.
As for forgetting your password, that's been attempted unsuccessfully before. https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/contempt-of-court-de...
At a previous job, my team found ourselves in a similar situation. After being acquired into a very large company, where the official standard corporate development laptop did not support the tools we wanted to use and came bogged down with overhead from antivirus and other nonsense, it became difficult to get work done.
Instead of individually going rogue and potentially getting ourselves into trouble, our manager bought us all MacBooks we could use alongside our corporate machines. We were still doing all our work on company-owned hardware this way, operating over the company intranet, everything kosher and above-board: but we still got to work on machines which suited us.
Perhaps your manager can help you find a similar solution.
This is SOP for basically all enterprise IT. If I didn't follow it I'd get a rap on the knuckle at best, and maybe fired at worst. I bought a separate laptop for contract jobs simply to ensure it stayed separate from personal stuff.
Other thoughts:
malware risks -- often aggressive efforts targeted at organizations compared to individuals; way more likely they get hacked first, and then it spills over to you. or, now you risk bringing down the company cuz you lookin at Pronz and get hacked and that gets back to their Active Directory, etc.
legal risks -- what happens if something legal goes down and there are fights about IP and ownership. looks like your laptop is seized. in every job I've had, anything I developed in on or around company property was theirs, and this may run afoul of that.
what happens if something breaks? now you're on the hook to fix it, and it may impact your ability to work and get paid. meanwhile if your work laptop is fried you call IT and it's on them until you're back.
Can confirm this happens. And yeah, the "extra-curricular" images they find will make their rounds and everyone will know.
The entire contents will be copied and everything will be reviewed by a human. By both the lawyers suing and your own company’s legal team.
In my ignorance of youth I used to use my company devices for personal use (within reason, nothing bad) but a long time ago I made a clean cut.
My work phone is boring as hell. Same with my laptop. Nothing but work related info.
I would definitely not give that up. If I did have to turn it in I'd wipe it first.
But I thought this couldn't happen because our phone apps are all cloud stored anyway so they can get to everything there. On my byod phone I'm not even able to download anything locally.
Ps: I'm not in the US but in Europe and we have pretty strong privacy protections so I couldn't imagine this would be a thing.
But even for legal holds in the US (which is incredibly much more litigious anyway) our company just freezes cloud assets afaik.
I’m not a lawyer though, so I’m happy to be corrected if my understanding is inaccurate.
But I'm very principled on this and I will never willingly give it up.
I was never fired. Fedora was my daily driver.
Two companies didn't care at all. One did - the worst it ever got was asking me to boot up their supplied Windows laptop once a month for updates, so they could pass security audits.
My approach is exactly the opposite: I never do anything work-related on personal hardware, nor do I ever use work machines for personal projects.
There might not be a specific rule to point to yet, but you don’t want to be the reason they make that official rule.
I know at my company, if I were to put company details on my personal laptop I’d be walked right out the door. How many company secrets are in the code and when you leave the company they don’t want to take your word for it that you’re not keeping all of that and doing who knows what with it. It’s a huge liability on both sides.
You only live once and you want to do it, so why not?
Because there might be some malware that’ll screw things up? Unlikely on a Mac.
Because there might be a lawsuit where your personal computer ends up as evidence? Almost certainly not going to happen.
Be cause it’s good evidence for a vindictive boss to use to fire you? Yeah whatever if somebody wants to fire you they’re going to do it anyway.
If you can accept that this is a weird thing to do and might have some risk associated with it, go nuts.
But in my new job I'm doing work on my personal laptop. It started because, I travel by plane to work regularly. I was carrying three laptops, my personal one, my work one, and one provided by my current client. It was just so much easier to combine everything into one laptop and just carry that. It's working out really well. Before I was constantly moving from one laptop to another just to check messages.
I think doing work on your personal computer is less bad than having personal stuff on your work computer, I wouldn't do that.
I also use separate browsers (chrome for work, firefox for personal stuff) cause I'm not a psycho.
Also I see people are conflating the use of a work laptop for personal stuff with using your personal laptop for work, those are very different and people doing personal stuff on the work laptop full of corporate spyware are the real psychos.
But, knowingly picking the wrong answer can be ok if you get some benefit from it. Personally, it's not too hard to keep home and work computers mostly separate; at times, I might do a smidge of work on a home computer, or a smidge of home stuff on a work computer, but hopefully it's pretty ephemeral: I don't want work content to stay on my home computer, or home content to stay on my work computer. At my last job, I was subject to legal holds all the time and compliance is easy if corporate has access to everything and I don't really need to do anything. By the same token, I had to administer legal searches of email, and sometimes that caught personal matters which nobody else needed to see (including me); avoiding that kind of access would be great.
Otoh, keeping personal and work phones separate is just too hard for me. I don't want to carry two phones.
If you are just a regular user using it to VPN in to check email, maybe . . . but if you are a dev, or admin, with elevated privileges or access to source code or secrets, you are just asking for trouble if anything goes wrong.(eg, malware that you may have acquired from some random software, or repo you tried)
Don't risk it, just use their machine.
There are so much better, more important and meaningful things to fight.
Another matter is software licensing. You mention the IDE. Is your IDE properly licensed for commercial use on your own laptop? If not, the company may need to throw out all that you do when they find out, or they risk losing all their commercial licenses.
If you really want to use your own hardware, I would seek a letter from HR/legal with a statement to the effect that the company allows it. But given that the company gives you a laptop with a software image, it's likely they have to for a real legal reason.
Or you could become a consultant/outsourced supplier where it will be expected, in most cases, that you will use your own hardware. Though not always.
If you don't properly handle this, the likeliest scenario is that you will be fired when they find out. If you are lucky, they won't tell this to your future employers when they ask for references. I think it's common to be lucky in that regard to be honest, but not everyone is. And if the org loses licenses or has to throw out a chunk of their codebase, you may find yourself in a lawsuit (possibly between a client/supplier of your employer and your employer). Of course, if it's a small start-up, personal consequences are less likely. But don't act this way towards a small company.