I wonder if that means that lower sex drive does not necessarily mean lower testosterone?
This is not a purely theoretical question. I spend half the year traveling the world in ways that let me talk a lot with local people, and I am astounded by the number of young men in developing countries who venerate Andrew Tate and are frantic about physical access to women. As a somewhat older man, I can’t share their desperation and I wish I could communicate to them “Just wank it and then get back to doing something productive with your time”, yet I fear being accused of being a “low-T man”, which in that social-media world is an object of contempt.
Lack of access to sex (aka women aren't interested) tends to be an identity level failure to men, not just a temporarily feeling of horniness that goes away after a wank. Else the problem would be solved half a dozen times a day for these young men.
Though, like the PUA forums of the early 2000s, I don't think Andrew Tate is going to be much help. But that's a separate issue.
"If A (higher T) then not B (higher sex drive)" does not imply "If B then not A".
But agree, these men have built a culture where they believe that's true. I think that they'd be better served by not obsessing so hard. Sex will happen, and it's easiest to get when you are chill, safe, approachable.
And yet, these dudes feel the need to do toxic shit to themselves and others. It's a tragedy.
> and I am astounded by the number of young men in developing countries who venerate Andrew Tate and are frantic about physical access to women. As a somewhat older man,
Kind of curious which countries? I noticed this some countries where women rights seem restricted or theyre lower class, and religious. Indonesia and Morocco.
Certainly the ire of Andrew Tate fans should be thoroughly ignored. You can have whatever sex drive you want, and their contempt is childish and misguided. If you did want to try experiencing a higher sex drive, try edging daily for a week without getting off and see how you feel on day 7.
I’ve never had any sex drive my entire life and my T levels test normally. So I would say one doesn’t necessarily imply the other. Pretty sure it’s more complicated.
I don't think that's the solution.
Sex desire is effectively a human need as much as hunger. You can wank it off once or twice, but for some people they might have this need 3+ times per day, every day. That's not sustainable for them too.
I don't know what the solution is, but saying "wank it off" seems an unsatisfying response
I assume it means moving up but still starting from within the normal range?
Only one data point, but over the course of this year, I've gone from having the very lowest T level in the acceptable range to the upper half of the range and noticed very little except some increased assertiveness.
"...if there is no deficit to the hormone". It sounds like if someone has lower-than-normal testosterone then it increases sex drive. But if someone is already at normal levels of testosterone takes more, it doesn't significantly change sex drive.
No, the headline/study match-up is even dumber than that I'm afraid.
The study (which looks fine, the article is trash) is looking at if a given man's sexual desire fluctuates as their testosterone does, day to day[0], in men with healthy testosterone levels.
The article contradicts your exhibit A: "Additionally, women, who naturally produce much less testosterone, reported an increase in sex drive, when given testosterone supplements."
Do you mean to suggest women have a lower sex drive? When I started taking estrogen and suppressing my T, my sex drive changed a lot but it didn’t reduce. It’s just more impacted by emotional factors like life stress and anxiety.
It’s an article discussing the results of a study. Who/what would you recommend as gatekeeper for discussing studies over the current crowd-sourced method?
There is a timeless beauty in a post that complains that a press release covering a confirmation of findings that are over 20 years old is "obviously false"
Bhasin et al '01 tragically contradicts whatever bro podcaster mythology you were believing about testosterone Obviously Increasing sex drive. Which, if you read the article, you could have found and perused at your leisure!
Except there's a jillion studies out there showing that testosterone increases sex drive in those who are deficient, which is what any reasonable person would assume they mean.
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[ 3.3 ms ] story [ 86.3 ms ] threadThis is not a purely theoretical question. I spend half the year traveling the world in ways that let me talk a lot with local people, and I am astounded by the number of young men in developing countries who venerate Andrew Tate and are frantic about physical access to women. As a somewhat older man, I can’t share their desperation and I wish I could communicate to them “Just wank it and then get back to doing something productive with your time”, yet I fear being accused of being a “low-T man”, which in that social-media world is an object of contempt.
Though, like the PUA forums of the early 2000s, I don't think Andrew Tate is going to be much help. But that's a separate issue.
But agree, these men have built a culture where they believe that's true. I think that they'd be better served by not obsessing so hard. Sex will happen, and it's easiest to get when you are chill, safe, approachable.
And yet, these dudes feel the need to do toxic shit to themselves and others. It's a tragedy.
Kind of curious which countries? I noticed this some countries where women rights seem restricted or theyre lower class, and religious. Indonesia and Morocco.
I don't know what the solution is, but saying "wank it off" seems an unsatisfying response
Only one data point, but over the course of this year, I've gone from having the very lowest T level in the acceptable range to the upper half of the range and noticed very little except some increased assertiveness.
The study (which looks fine, the article is trash) is looking at if a given man's sexual desire fluctuates as their testosterone does, day to day[0], in men with healthy testosterone levels.
https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rspb.2024.150...
Bhasin et al '01 tragically contradicts whatever bro podcaster mythology you were believing about testosterone Obviously Increasing sex drive. Which, if you read the article, you could have found and perused at your leisure!
Bait used to be believable.