* Yes, new server-side features require a recent version of the OS. No one is forcing you to use iCloud.
* No, you are not forced to install apps from the Mac App Store
* auto-termination? OS X isn't IOS. Apps don't "auto terminate".
* OS X 10.8 uses HFS+ with Journalling, just like the previous versions of OS X.
* SSDs are still optional on most Macs, if you don't like having ultra fast, reliable local storage.
As for the "memory manager" issue - I don't know what the hell you're doing, but I've only just (as in, February 2012) replaced my mid-2007 17" MBP. It had 4GB of RAM (from factory) and still performed perfectly well for development. I only upgraded because my employer offered a new one.
It's not a fud :) I promise.
Only what it happened.
And you don't read carefully my post.One example: I didn't write you are forced use Mac app Store to install program, I wrote I read about Mountain Lion, by default you must install from MacAppStore. And I asked "what in the future?". With iPad and iPhone you can't choose your app provider.
And about, the memory management problem, I used to read this sort of answer: "It doesnt come to me so, it doesn't exist".
The default is to install from the App Store or signed developers. That's not unreasonable and it gives you a error when it wont run. Googling the error message would give you several different options to run an unsigned app. The "new file system" as said earlier is 100% optional. You can use local storage the same way you did in 10.7. Yes you have autosave but for most users that's probably for the better.
It's either FUD or complete ignorance on the subject.
"by default you must install from MacAppStore."
That's blatantly false. You can install any App that is signed (any developer can release a mac App that is signed, without going through the Mac App Store).
If you want to install non-signed apps (which is a reasonable thing, there are thousands of great apps that are unsigned still) - you just right click on the installer and select open - that's all it takes to convince 10.8 that you accept the software is non-signed.
There is no new filesystem - There is an option to store documents in iCloud. Calling it a filesystem is akin to saying IMAP is a filesystem because the emails are also stored on a server somewhere. If you don't like the iCloud functionality, don't use it.
As for the memory thing - it's not about "it didn't happen to me". It's about it hasn't happened to anyone I've ever spoken to, and the majority of my friends use Macs (most are several years old, but have maxed out ram) and 90% of my colleagues at work (100+ staff around the globe doing development and design).
Regarding your "choose your app provider" line: The App Store isn't a "provider". It's a distribution channel for Developers. One of its features is to protect users from malicious apps.
I think he meant "I read about ML, by default you must install [it] from Mac App Store", "it" meaning Mountain Lion itself; which is true. Now I don't agree with most of his points, but you
If the argument about installing from the mac app store is indeed in reference to the OS itself, I think this argument is even more moot than any argument about installing unsigned apps.
The only people I see complaining about this are a) those wishing to avoid paying for the software, and b) people without internet access.
If you're in camp a), fuck you.
If you're in camp b), how do you run a blog?
I have to say though in 12 months of using Lion I've never seen or even heard of this behaviour, and reading that article it sounds like it's got pretty minimal chances of making a situation worse, especially for the OP who is complaining about memory usage.
Has anyone actually seen this behaviour first hand?
A friend of mine lost a 50 page script (written in TextEdit) because of app termination. He didn't save the document (a VERY wrong thing), and it happened in 10.7.0 days (and was fixed in 10.7.1, about 10 months ago), so it's not really something we should worry about anymore.
app termination should only happen when there are no windows open - so how did he "lose" a document?
Edit:
just noticed you said it was "fixed" - so he was affected by a bug, which happened to be in the app termination system. That is not a fault of the concept.
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[ 4.8 ms ] story [ 43.2 ms ] thread* Yes, new server-side features require a recent version of the OS. No one is forcing you to use iCloud.
* No, you are not forced to install apps from the Mac App Store
* auto-termination? OS X isn't IOS. Apps don't "auto terminate".
* OS X 10.8 uses HFS+ with Journalling, just like the previous versions of OS X.
* SSDs are still optional on most Macs, if you don't like having ultra fast, reliable local storage.
As for the "memory manager" issue - I don't know what the hell you're doing, but I've only just (as in, February 2012) replaced my mid-2007 17" MBP. It had 4GB of RAM (from factory) and still performed perfectly well for development. I only upgraded because my employer offered a new one.
And about, the memory management problem, I used to read this sort of answer: "It doesnt come to me so, it doesn't exist".
EDIT: And about the file system, I wanted to talk about http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/143744/mountain-lion-brings...
"by default you must install from MacAppStore."
That's blatantly false. You can install any App that is signed (any developer can release a mac App that is signed, without going through the Mac App Store).
If you want to install non-signed apps (which is a reasonable thing, there are thousands of great apps that are unsigned still) - you just right click on the installer and select open - that's all it takes to convince 10.8 that you accept the software is non-signed.
There is no new filesystem - There is an option to store documents in iCloud. Calling it a filesystem is akin to saying IMAP is a filesystem because the emails are also stored on a server somewhere. If you don't like the iCloud functionality, don't use it.
As for the memory thing - it's not about "it didn't happen to me". It's about it hasn't happened to anyone I've ever spoken to, and the majority of my friends use Macs (most are several years old, but have maxed out ram) and 90% of my colleagues at work (100+ staff around the globe doing development and design).
Regarding your "choose your app provider" line: The App Store isn't a "provider". It's a distribution channel for Developers. One of its features is to protect users from malicious apps.
The only people I see complaining about this are a) those wishing to avoid paying for the software, and b) people without internet access.
If you're in camp a), fuck you. If you're in camp b), how do you run a blog?
I have to say though in 12 months of using Lion I've never seen or even heard of this behaviour, and reading that article it sounds like it's got pretty minimal chances of making a situation worse, especially for the OP who is complaining about memory usage.
Has anyone actually seen this behaviour first hand?
Edit: just noticed you said it was "fixed" - so he was affected by a bug, which happened to be in the app termination system. That is not a fault of the concept.