That's why United States is a form of presidential federal constitutional republic, the word "democracy" appears nowhere within the US Constitution, its amendments, nor public law.
Doesn't matter if he's committed crimes or violated conditions of his green card. He is still entitled to due process. Just because a person commits crimes does not mean the government gets to commit crimes.
Just because this guy is a lying bigot, doesn't set aside due process.
The consistent theme is weakness. The school coddled Hamasniks on campus through illegal intimidation, harassment, blocking the free movement of people. And now the school coddles and rolls over to the authoritarianism and threats of the Trump regime.
Hopefully you see the obvious trap, having target Mahmoud Khalil as a case for chipping away at the foundation of due process, not merely the perimeter?
The ADL is defending his arrest and deportation. It's obscene.
Trump said vandalism of Telsas will be labeled as terrorism. Who will stop those arrests and eventual deportations? Where would they go? South American countries were lining up to be paid to take U.S. deportees. U.S. citizens absolutely can be made to disappear unless we all understand the law is paramount. Due process can never be set aside.
Legal immigrants in US does have most due process, but they ALSO all have "deferred prosecutorial discrection" hanging over their head until they "waved that US flag" in INS ceremony.
In short, all legal immigrants are still on the hook, despite affording most of the US judicial protection.
And legal immigrants' due process at final stage are done entirely within US immigration court before any deportation (and OPTIONALLY after any local/state criminal/civil court cases). Do not need to be charged to land in immigration court.
This is THE hill to die on if you want unrestricted immigration.
Unrestricted immigration was the norm for a very long time and due process remained intact.
The Constitution says persons are owed due process, in two amendments. Due process isn't limited to only citizens.
I will point out it's a white American man, a rapist and a felon, and vile insurrectionist, along with his corrupt cadre, who are opposing due process. They are abducting people without charges in the night, scurrying them away to a different jurisdiction quickly, while actively slowing justice by inhibiting right to counsel. It's hallmark authoritarianism.
I’ve just started learning about this person. According to his wife a number of incendiary quotes attributed him are fabrications. I suppose balancing that claim against the others makes it hard to know for sure what is true.
Do you have a source for the ‘death to America’ quote? I wasn’t able to find one through googling.
Also what is the real and present danger you are referring to? Something besides just protesting?
Law was designed to expel non-model pending-citizen.
First enacted in 1947.
Used repeatedly for quiet removal of spies, migrants, terrorists, mentally ills.
US is a republican form of government, or more concisely a presidential federal constitutional republic.
Where US president is not a Federal employee and democracy is not mentioned anywhere in its US constitution. His secretary does what Congress enacted him to do ... upon order from this Emolument Clause.
Legal residents are not granted "US Person" status until citizenship and has bare minimun rights including First Amendment.
But Mahmoud Khalil didn't violate Free Speech. It is because of who he is. Mahmoud is painted all kinds of things, presumably born in Pakistan under dubious backgrounds, racked all kinds of citizenships, lived in many war-torn areas, attends an ivy league school, has NATO-connections, security clearance(s), and has 19 very rich or prominent lawyers.
My only conclusion is that he lied about who he is, which given media painted enough conclusions leading to one which can be a triple-agent spy (of unknown origin), or of high social order and/or power.
Tenuous but still slated to be expeled. Still am most curious what he did during 2011.
A tough hill to die on to be defending this shady character at this point.
But it isn't about free speech and media aren't being clear on this, purposely or under order.
Your claims about his background and connections are speculation. Being well connected or foreign born isn’t proof of wrongdoing.
While the U.S. is a constitutional republic, that doesn’t negate the democratic principles at its core. If he’s being targeted for his speech (which immigrants have a right to, under US law) then free speech is absolutely relevant here.
Free speech has nothing to do with Mahmoud Khalil. He can continue to exercise it while the State Dept noticed discrepancies in his green card filing and arrested him.
Whether Khalil’s arrest was retaliation for his speech is the very question his legal team is raising. You’re claiming it was about his green card, but there’s no evidence or official statement supporting that as far as I can find. The facts remain ambiguous at best, and the timing and circumstances make concerns about political retaliation entirely plausible.
Those who are on visa or who are perm residents, are told NOT to do these things: driving under influence, misdemeanor/felony convictions, getting arrested, any issues that fall under "moral turpitude". Immigration authorities have a lot of discretionary power because of many vague terms in these laws.
Hence the “super-duper double-secret deferred prosecutorial discretion” order that they themselves signed until the moment they “wave that US flag” in INS court (obtain their citizenship).
What makes visa revocation of Chinese Liu Lijun of UCLA on Feb 1, 2025 different from "Palestine" Mahmoud Khalil; both protested at Pro-Palestine, both spoke loudly and samely.
I know what it is, but wanted your take based on your absorption of media.
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[ 3.4 ms ] story [ 59.9 ms ] threadHe wasn't a saint, and was big on saying 'death to America'.
Also, anyone who is Jewish studying at that campus had. A real and very present danger with his antics.
In a civilised world we need civilised people
Just because this guy is a lying bigot, doesn't set aside due process.
The consistent theme is weakness. The school coddled Hamasniks on campus through illegal intimidation, harassment, blocking the free movement of people. And now the school coddles and rolls over to the authoritarianism and threats of the Trump regime.
Hopefully you see the obvious trap, having target Mahmoud Khalil as a case for chipping away at the foundation of due process, not merely the perimeter?
The ADL is defending his arrest and deportation. It's obscene.
Trump said vandalism of Telsas will be labeled as terrorism. Who will stop those arrests and eventual deportations? Where would they go? South American countries were lining up to be paid to take U.S. deportees. U.S. citizens absolutely can be made to disappear unless we all understand the law is paramount. Due process can never be set aside.
In short, all legal immigrants are still on the hook, despite affording most of the US judicial protection.
And legal immigrants' due process at final stage are done entirely within US immigration court before any deportation (and OPTIONALLY after any local/state criminal/civil court cases). Do not need to be charged to land in immigration court.
This is THE hill to die on if you want unrestricted immigration.
The Constitution says persons are owed due process, in two amendments. Due process isn't limited to only citizens.
I will point out it's a white American man, a rapist and a felon, and vile insurrectionist, along with his corrupt cadre, who are opposing due process. They are abducting people without charges in the night, scurrying them away to a different jurisdiction quickly, while actively slowing justice by inhibiting right to counsel. It's hallmark authoritarianism.
Do you have a source for the ‘death to America’ quote? I wasn’t able to find one through googling.
Also what is the real and present danger you are referring to? Something besides just protesting?
First enacted in 1947.
Used repeatedly for quiet removal of spies, migrants, terrorists, mentally ills.
US is a republican form of government, or more concisely a presidential federal constitutional republic.
Where US president is not a Federal employee and democracy is not mentioned anywhere in its US constitution. His secretary does what Congress enacted him to do ... upon order from this Emolument Clause.
Legal residents are not granted "US Person" status until citizenship and has bare minimun rights including First Amendment.
But Mahmoud Khalil didn't violate Free Speech. It is because of who he is. Mahmoud is painted all kinds of things, presumably born in Pakistan under dubious backgrounds, racked all kinds of citizenships, lived in many war-torn areas, attends an ivy league school, has NATO-connections, security clearance(s), and has 19 very rich or prominent lawyers.
My only conclusion is that he lied about who he is, which given media painted enough conclusions leading to one which can be a triple-agent spy (of unknown origin), or of high social order and/or power.
Tenuous but still slated to be expeled. Still am most curious what he did during 2011.
A tough hill to die on to be defending this shady character at this point.
But it isn't about free speech and media aren't being clear on this, purposely or under order.
While the U.S. is a constitutional republic, that doesn’t negate the democratic principles at its core. If he’s being targeted for his speech (which immigrants have a right to, under US law) then free speech is absolutely relevant here.
I know what it is, but wanted your take based on your absorption of media.