I found it very readable w/ my default Javascript-diasbled configuration. It wasn't until I viewed the page w/o my plugins loaded that I got the message.
To be fair, if you're going to just be a genuinely superior person than other people are, you might as well just brag about that superiority since there's nothing else it's useful for.
Clearly I hit a nerve. I was just trying to make the point that w/o Javascript the example kinda fell flat. I didn't think I was bragging, but apparently I was. (I just prefer to turn on Javascript when I need it-- I find a lot of sites a lot less distracting w/o it.)
How many other user interactions are generally considered objectively bad practice? Sure, there may be a time and place, but what is frequently overused?
If a website interaction has to lead me to a phone call in order to get something useful done, that website has completely failed.
Ideally I never want to have to pick up my phone at all. Customer support is an exception to that, but only as a last resort: if it gets to the point that I have to call a business, something has gone very very wrong.
Haha, customers want to aks unreasonable or insane questions, replace a good process with a bad one and tell you their life story. They might even need to talk with a normal person about normal things. Refusal might be expensive. If you can bring an insane request within the boundaries of possibility they can't help but appreciate it.
I believe you two are in agreement, they go to the website to get a phone number to call the company to talk about something that needs human interaction, they cannot get any phone number at all some times, or they can only get one with a bot that says I don't understand a lot - as a consequence "that website has completely failed"
> Customer support is an exception to that, but only as a last resort: if it gets to the point that I have to call a business, something has gone very very wrong.
It is a common thing that people say - hmm, this is a complicated situation and a human needs to be talked to (probably these people don't understand how impressive AI is) and modern UX as a cost saving measure absolutely fails a customers need to talk to a human at the company they are getting a service from.
Man I wish I could find the first HTML book I ever read. Must have read it in 1994 or something. It used "Mosaic" browser, which looked nothing like the IE3 or IE4 that I had. Wow, this brings back so many memories.
If anyone can ever find that book on Amazon, please let me know! I've been looking for years.
My first real web job out of collage was introducing HTX/IDX[1] to a shop that was still using Visual C++ to make CGI because C++ was the only hammer they had in their toolbox :sob:
Not positive, but I think our product added toasts to comply with ADA/VPAT requirements on confirming the user got a second page of data in the table that are viewing and clicked "next" for. I think it had to do with having both audio and visual acknowledgement of the action.
Otherwise, we would have to physically page or add dialogues people would have to click to close, just to see page 2 of table data
They do practice what they preach. Scroll down to the bottom of the article where they give their recommendations. Their site follows those recommendations.
Disabling right click. I often want to open up various products in multiple tabs so that I can then go through them and select one to buy. When a website disables right click, I often just give up and don't buy anything.
Similar is having "links" that are actually implemented using an onClick handler so that I can't right click and select "open in new tab". Often this results in me later realizing that I opened the link's image in a new tab rather than the link itself.
> I often want to open up various products in multiple tabs so that I can then go through them and select one to buy. When a website disables right click, I often just give up and don't buy anything.
Hold Ctrl with left hand, and click-click-click with your right hand
Infinite scroll. Both because it's frustrating not to know how much content there is and because the lack of pagination often makes finding what you want difficult.
The death of tables. Modern “tables” often cannot be sorted, copy and/or paste don’t work, not expandable or shrinkable. And often the table will be presented unsorted and you just have to scroll. Just trash.
Likewise, the number of times I’ve run into a search box not wildcarding your searches is unforgivable.
I do not possess enough rage to express at the "let me swoosh in content only at the last possible pixel so that you think there's no more content" pages
I thought for sure this was going to be one of those "isfirefoxfastyet" style sites that was just a <h1>no</h1> but I guess the message is driven further home by hiding the "no" in the 2nd "page" of the carousel
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Neither camp needs to proselytize the other, nor is it ever very effective.
And bragging about which side you're on is weird.
> Yeah, bro, I rub two sticks together to cook my own deer meet, because Big Grocery is tracking me
I wonder if there's a more current version? Not having a smartphone perhaps?
2015: I don't have a smartphone
2020: I don't have social media
2025: I don't have friends
...if you live alone in a dorm room?
Toasts:
- https://maxschmitt.me/posts/toasts-bad-ux
- https://youtu.be/LeCKu0HqGFQ?si=xKApVFSqdzLGF0SD
Modals (being a special case of modes):
- https://modalzmodalzmodalz.com/
Modes:
- https://www.nngroup.com/articles/modes/
- https://ilyabirman.net/meanwhile/all/timed-modes/
What else?
Being anything other than a static page where I get your company’s phone number to call and talk to someone whose first language is my own.
Ideally I never want to have to pick up my phone at all. Customer support is an exception to that, but only as a last resort: if it gets to the point that I have to call a business, something has gone very very wrong.
> Customer support is an exception to that, but only as a last resort: if it gets to the point that I have to call a business, something has gone very very wrong.
It is a common thing that people say - hmm, this is a complicated situation and a human needs to be talked to (probably these people don't understand how impressive AI is) and modern UX as a cost saving measure absolutely fails a customers need to talk to a human at the company they are getting a service from.
Man I wish I could find the first HTML book I ever read. Must have read it in 1994 or something. It used "Mosaic" browser, which looked nothing like the IE3 or IE4 that I had. Wow, this brings back so many memories.
If anyone can ever find that book on Amazon, please let me know! I've been looking for years.
I recognize this might not help you, but my first one was one of those huge Unleashed books "HTML and CGI" <https://books.google.com/books/about/HTML_and_CGI_unleashed....> which it seems one can still buy for $5
My first real web job out of collage was introducing HTX/IDX[1] to a shop that was still using Visual C++ to make CGI because C++ was the only hammer they had in their toolbox :sob:
1: I'm actually shocked that they still serve documentation for it https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/previous-versions/iis/6.0-...
Otherwise, we would have to physically page or add dialogues people would have to click to close, just to see page 2 of table data
https://www.nngroup.com/articles/hamburger-menus/
Splash screens (fortunately mostly dead on the web, but still in use on mobile).
https://developer.apple.com/design/human-interface-guideline...
I maintain a website with around 15 subpages. What should I use instead?
[0]: https://www.nngroup.com/about/why-nng/
Similar is having "links" that are actually implemented using an onClick handler so that I can't right click and select "open in new tab". Often this results in me later realizing that I opened the link's image in a new tab rather than the link itself.
Middle clicking links opens them in a new tab, at least in Firefox.
Hold Ctrl with left hand, and click-click-click with your right hand
Likewise, the number of times I’ve run into a search box not wildcarding your searches is unforgivable.
Thanks, Google. https://adrianroselli.com/2025/05/my-request-to-google-on-ac...
Netflix movie selector is a carousel