• Trapit Bansal: pioneered RL on chain of thought and co-creator of o-series models at OpenAl.
• Shuchao Bi: co-creator of GPT-4o voice mode and o4-mini. Previously led multimodal post-training at OpenAl.
• Huiwen Chang: co-creator of GPT-4o's image generation, and previously invented MaskIT and Muse text-to-image architectures at Google Research.
• Ji Lin: helped build o3/o4-mini, GPT-4o, GPT-4.1, GPT-4.5, 4o-imagegen, and Operator reasoning stack.
• Joel Pobar: inference at Anthropic. Previously at Meta for 11 years on HHVM, Hack, Flow, Redex, performance tooling, and machine learning.
• Jack Rae: pre-training tech lead for Gemini and reasoning for Gemini 2.5. Led Gopher and Chinchilla early LLM efforts at DeepMind.
• Hongyu Ren: co-creator of GPT-4o, 4o-mini, o1-mini, o3-mini, o3 and o4-mini. Previously leading a group for post-training at OpenAl.
• Johan Schalkwyk: former Google Fellow, early contributor to Sesame, and technical lead for Maya.
• Pei Sun: post-training, coding, and reasoning for Gemini at Google Deepmind. Previously created the last two generations of Waymo's perception models.
• Jiahui Yu: co-creator of o3, o4-mini, GPT-4.1 and GPT-4o. Previously led the perception team at OpenAl, and co-led multimodal at Gemini.
• Shengjia Zhao: co-creator of ChatGPT, GPT-4, all mini models, 4.1 and o3. Previously led synthetic data at OpenAl.
I'm couldn't be more disgusted by sama@'s response to Zuck's strategy:
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the strategy of a ton of upfront guaranteed comp and that being the reason you tell someone to join like
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really the degree to which they're focusing on that and not the work and not the mission Um I don't think that's
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going to set up a great culture Uh and you know I hope that we can be the best
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place in the world to do this kind of research Uh I think we built a really special culture for it and I think that
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we're set up such that if we succeed at that and a lot of people on our research team believe we will or we're have a
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good chance at it then everybody will do great financially and it's I think it's incentive aligned with like mission
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first and then economic awards and everything else flowing from that So I think that's good There's many things I respect about Meta as a company Um but I
Un hun.
Sam Altman's critique of Meta's recruitment strategy is a textbook example of startup rhetoric. By framing high, guaranteed compensation as a cultural failing that detracts from the "mission," he attempts to moralize a clear economic disadvantage.
This is the core of the startup playbook: persuade employees to forsake their financial best interests in favor of high-risk, high-reward "adventures." There's nothing inherently wrong with that pitch, but the subsequent sanctimony is galling. When talented individuals make a rational choice for their own benefit, Altman's insinuation that they aren't the "people that mattered" is both revealing and repulsive. He's not angry about a breach of principle; he's angry that Zuckerberg is outbidding him.
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• Huiwen Chang: co-creator of GPT-4o's image generation, and previously invented MaskIT and Muse text-to-image architectures at Google Research.
• Ji Lin: helped build o3/o4-mini, GPT-4o, GPT-4.1, GPT-4.5, 4o-imagegen, and Operator reasoning stack.
• Joel Pobar: inference at Anthropic. Previously at Meta for 11 years on HHVM, Hack, Flow, Redex, performance tooling, and machine learning.
• Jack Rae: pre-training tech lead for Gemini and reasoning for Gemini 2.5. Led Gopher and Chinchilla early LLM efforts at DeepMind.
• Hongyu Ren: co-creator of GPT-4o, 4o-mini, o1-mini, o3-mini, o3 and o4-mini. Previously leading a group for post-training at OpenAl.
• Johan Schalkwyk: former Google Fellow, early contributor to Sesame, and technical lead for Maya.
• Pei Sun: post-training, coding, and reasoning for Gemini at Google Deepmind. Previously created the last two generations of Waymo's perception models.
• Jiahui Yu: co-creator of o3, o4-mini, GPT-4.1 and GPT-4o. Previously led the perception team at OpenAl, and co-led multimodal at Gemini.
• Shengjia Zhao: co-creator of ChatGPT, GPT-4, all mini models, 4.1 and o3. Previously led synthetic data at OpenAl.
There are so much money needed to solve another problems, especially for health.
I don’t blame the new comers, but Zuckerberg.
Please see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44432526
That includes personal attacks, regardless of who it's about. When a comment has a high bile/information ratio, it's off topic here.
You may not owe $CelebrityBillionaire better, but you owe this community better if you're participating in it.
23:05 the strategy of a ton of upfront guaranteed comp and that being the reason you tell someone to join like
23:10 really the degree to which they're focusing on that and not the work and not the mission Um I don't think that's
23:17 going to set up a great culture Uh and you know I hope that we can be the best
23:24 place in the world to do this kind of research Uh I think we built a really special culture for it and I think that
23:30 we're set up such that if we succeed at that and a lot of people on our research team believe we will or we're have a
23:36 good chance at it then everybody will do great financially and it's I think it's incentive aligned with like mission
23:42 first and then economic awards and everything else flowing from that So I think that's good There's many things I respect about Meta as a company Um but I
Un hun.
Sam Altman's critique of Meta's recruitment strategy is a textbook example of startup rhetoric. By framing high, guaranteed compensation as a cultural failing that detracts from the "mission," he attempts to moralize a clear economic disadvantage.
This is the core of the startup playbook: persuade employees to forsake their financial best interests in favor of high-risk, high-reward "adventures." There's nothing inherently wrong with that pitch, but the subsequent sanctimony is galling. When talented individuals make a rational choice for their own benefit, Altman's insinuation that they aren't the "people that mattered" is both revealing and repulsive. He's not angry about a breach of principle; he's angry that Zuckerberg is outbidding him.
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