It's sad to see Europe's influence fading, and instead of investing in innovation, politicians are focused on stripping even more freedoms from their citizens.
Unbelievably stupid. Horrible overreach of government power.
In the USA our founding fathers wrote the constitution to limit government, not citizens. For sure, we have strayed away from this ideal, but things here are not as bad as apparently they are in the EU.
The EU just doesn’t have the tech muscle to make this happen now or ever. They’re pros at cranking out regulations, but when it comes to the actual tech know-how, they’re kind of out of their depth.
I don't understand why they keep trying this over and over. It can't possibly be a moral crusade as it keeps happening with different players, but I don't understand the purpose.
We now live in a world where the opposite routinely happens: a crime happens, you give the police access to Apple or Google's Find Device / Find My data, they throw it in the trash. Law enforcement has more data to find and procecute criminals than they have time. People get scammed out of money by the thousands every day, over the phone, an insanely easy system to tap and trace. No one gets arrested.
Who is actually repeatedly pushing for things like these within the EU? For what purpose? What crimes went unprocecuted because of the unability to perform mass surveillance like this? It seems that all the time, when law enforcement actually cares about, it's trivial for them to get evidence? So why does this keep popping up every year?
So you’re telling me that all of the grandstanding the EU and Europeans do about how much more they care about their citizens and protecting them from the evil American privacy invading capitalists was all BS?
So how will this work, if this becomes law? Ok, I understand whatsapp and signal and whatnot will have to change their code inorder to be able to provide cleartext messages for the goverment.
But there are other, maybe less known apps. Will all github repos that try to achieve e2ee be shut down? Won’t such apps just move to Tor?
Could someone with strong background in this area perhaps shine a light on this?
Is this essentially the EU empowering its constituent nation states to deeply compromise security practices? Or is this just basic capability building for mass communication surveillance?
There is little a private man can do against state actors. Of course, I could operate my encrypted backups with my antique Raspberry Pi in a Faraday cage. But … really?
Also, how does this not backfire when taking account third accounts?
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Also a state where a police makes the laws is called a police state.
For example, East Germany was a police state, so Europe has a rich history on the topic.
In the USA our founding fathers wrote the constitution to limit government, not citizens. For sure, we have strayed away from this ideal, but things here are not as bad as apparently they are in the EU.
We now live in a world where the opposite routinely happens: a crime happens, you give the police access to Apple or Google's Find Device / Find My data, they throw it in the trash. Law enforcement has more data to find and procecute criminals than they have time. People get scammed out of money by the thousands every day, over the phone, an insanely easy system to tap and trace. No one gets arrested.
Who is actually repeatedly pushing for things like these within the EU? For what purpose? What crimes went unprocecuted because of the unability to perform mass surveillance like this? It seems that all the time, when law enforcement actually cares about, it's trivial for them to get evidence? So why does this keep popping up every year?
Now we have this introduced from the complete lunacy of the EU.
Could 2030 get any more worse?
He got the message out there, we just didn't listen.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_McLuhan#Legacy
But there are other, maybe less known apps. Will all github repos that try to achieve e2ee be shut down? Won’t such apps just move to Tor?
Is this essentially the EU empowering its constituent nation states to deeply compromise security practices? Or is this just basic capability building for mass communication surveillance?
There is little a private man can do against state actors. Of course, I could operate my encrypted backups with my antique Raspberry Pi in a Faraday cage. But … really?
Also, how does this not backfire when taking account third accounts?