The ACS is about as scary as a limp lettuce leaf, so don't expect the CBA, or any other Australian company that wants to outsource IT operations and retrench existing staff, to be in any way deterred.
In an ideal world acts like these should see the managers and execs making the decisions fired if they weren't included pro rata in the original offloading.
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This reporting is somewhat dishonest it fails to disclose ACS's vested interests...
ACS has a nice government-granted monopoly on assessing the qualifications of work visa applicants (at significant cost) so anyone reducing the demand for IT worker visas (by off-shoring those jobs) is going to hurt ACS directly.
I worked for a company that was bought by CBA, and this was happening while I was there.
This would be great if:
Indian workers were hired on equivalent terms, in Australia,
on visas that give them a clear path to citizenship.
If they were hired as individuals and not via contracing companies that force them to sign separate secret contracts that prevent them from pushing for their full legal rights under Australian labor law. Immigration has been great for Australia in countless ways. I get really upset about they way large labor firms have co-opted as immigration a lever for corporations to undermine Australian working conditions and exploit Indian workers and I really don't know what to do
about.
If Australia doesn't have the capabilities then why are the university campuses full of overseas students? So they can learn, return to their homelands and work at some outsourcing org?
CBA like all large corporations don't care about their staff nor their customers. Their only priority is to pander to their shareholders and pay their executives ever larger salaries and perks.
Government powers don't work. Lobbyists and party donors make sure that they own the decision makers. Politicians, like the corporations are only in it for what they can personally gain.
Its not just CBA, but Westpac, Optus and pretty much any large corporate in Australia.
ACS is being a hypocrite since:
1) they charge $$$ fees for validating IT experience so they would never advocate lowering the immgiration rate (its also a conflict of interest). So they have a hand in dismantling Australian tech jobs.
2) they inform the government that there's still a "skills shortage" of developer , when in reality, they do it to suppress wages.
Revenue maximisation is an 'embedded imperative' of companies a capitalist system, so of course these jobs will be migrated to where they can be done most productively; they will then be automated as soon as the roles become simplified and the AI becomes more advanced.
This is neither 'right', not 'wrong' much less shameful; it is simply the logical extension of the socio-economic system we all willingly subscribe to. The only alternative, would be to establish different forms of community owned organisations (should all businesses be owned by employees?) allied with protectionism to prevent leaner, more efficient capitalist firms from outcompeting the co-ops.
Isn't this just another symptom of the disease that is Jack Welch-ian financialisation of the enterprise [1]?
While it was paying off handsomely, in the short term, the grumblings were muted. Now that the invisible hand of the invisible debt collector has come a-calling, it is unsurprising that the WITCH-hunt (hehe) is gathering momentum.
Given that these are generational phenomena, is it surprising that one generation torpedos local labour laws and labour protections, and their children and grandchildren wake up one day faced with the prospect of having to pay the price?
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I thought outsourcing meant we get cheaper goods like iPhones and laptops. Now we can outsource middle-class service jobs for cheaper services?
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ACS has a nice government-granted monopoly on assessing the qualifications of work visa applicants (at significant cost) so anyone reducing the demand for IT worker visas (by off-shoring those jobs) is going to hurt ACS directly.
Just before their last big US layoffs, Microsoft announced: "Microsoft is expanding our presence in India with a $3 billion investment"
CBA like all large corporations don't care about their staff nor their customers. Their only priority is to pander to their shareholders and pay their executives ever larger salaries and perks.
Government powers don't work. Lobbyists and party donors make sure that they own the decision makers. Politicians, like the corporations are only in it for what they can personally gain.
At this point, a plurality of our new immigrants come from one or two states in India.
I would challenge you to go to a coffee shop in any major city and try to find a Canadian worker.
Not sure what the future is for a Canadian worker, but it's bleak.
ACS is being a hypocrite since: 1) they charge $$$ fees for validating IT experience so they would never advocate lowering the immgiration rate (its also a conflict of interest). So they have a hand in dismantling Australian tech jobs. 2) they inform the government that there's still a "skills shortage" of developer , when in reality, they do it to suppress wages.
This is neither 'right', not 'wrong' much less shameful; it is simply the logical extension of the socio-economic system we all willingly subscribe to. The only alternative, would be to establish different forms of community owned organisations (should all businesses be owned by employees?) allied with protectionism to prevent leaner, more efficient capitalist firms from outcompeting the co-ops.
While it was paying off handsomely, in the short term, the grumblings were muted. Now that the invisible hand of the invisible debt collector has come a-calling, it is unsurprising that the WITCH-hunt (hehe) is gathering momentum.
Given that these are generational phenomena, is it surprising that one generation torpedos local labour laws and labour protections, and their children and grandchildren wake up one day faced with the prospect of having to pay the price?
[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44442022