What if technology is our weakness?

15 points by morpheos137 ↗ HN
Personally I think human technological expansion is a temporary aberation of nature. I think in the long term we'd do best to approximate the advice of the late Georgia Guidestones and allow the human population to reduce to a reasonable equilibrium point such as for example the prescribed (and arbitrary) 500 million and live more like other biological organisms of the Earth planet. What do you think and why? To be clear this is just an abstract philosophical discussion about the ideal way for humans to persist as a species in the natural world on their only available planet. In no way is misfortune wished to individuals of the human species all of whom were born into the world called Earth without their informed consent.

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I agree with you. I would hope for more like 2 billion and that we could keep some urban nerve centers, but either way it's a far cry from the 8 billion oil-guzzlers we have now.
The Luddite and anti-human advice of the Georgia Guidestones which is based on absolutely nothing, no formula, no data, no measurements. It is clearly the work of a modern day apocalyptic mind minus the justification of Heaven and "Life everafter."

In any case, to stand here, in history, at this absolute climax of wealth inequality, government capture, and feudal existence being created and to surmise that "technology" is the problem and not "money" or just "distribution of new wealth" even is absolutely beyond me.

"In no way is misfortune wished." Well, whether you're hinting that your abstract philosophy demands these people be put to death or not, you can spare yourself the altar, these people already live with misfortune that I don't think someone with your apparent level of fortune can even properly calculate.

I think it's more like the managerial capture of technology. So both OP and you are correct IMO.
> In any case, to stand here, in history, at this absolute climax of wealth inequality, government capture, and feudal existence being created and to surmise that "technology" is the problem and not "money" or just "distribution of new wealth" even is absolutely beyond me.

You think money, rather than technology? I think the problem is humans. And no, fewer of them won't fix them.

Regardless of how fast we use up non-renewable resources, they're all going to be gone at some point. Copper, lithium, and tin are going to be gone. Humanity will need to live off of what we can forage or grow.

Also, the rarity of farming in the animal kingdom makes me worried about the sustainability even of multi-species domestication. A few ants cultivate trees or fungi or aphids, but they seem to specialize in just domesticating just one species at a time. This is telling us something important: I suspect domesticating too many species leads to vulnerabilities to so many parasites/bacteria/viruses/pests that pestilence and famine risk will eventually outweigh any benefits of domestication. If they didn't, ants would be farming lots of species!

In the real long term, then, humans will get one (or zero) domesticated species, and maybe some electricity if we can make self-sustaining solar power operations using common elements like aluminum and silicon from dirt, or sodium, chlorine, oxygen, and hydrogen from water, and that'll be it for technology, Everything else will be foraged animals and plants, in an ecosystem that keeps our population in check through predation.

As for the transition, it's going to suck. And I don't trust any governing body to "ramp down" the population smoothly without committing some major atrocities.

Why? Humans aren't the only species that shape their environment. Beavers build dams, for instance, with enormous consequences for local ecosystems. Our problem isn't "deviating from nature"—we ARE nature. Our problem is poor stewardship of our resources. The political influence required to enforce some sort of anti-technology mandate could more easily be expended switching to sustainable energy and agriculture.

Anyway, the Georgia Guidestones are just one weirdo's hot takes. They vary from blandly unobjectionable ("avoid petty laws and useless officials"? yeah nobody supports "useless" and "petty" things) to dubious ("rule passion — faith — tradition"? I guess passion's fine, but faith and tradition lead a person in weird directions) to outright eugenicist ("guide reproduction wisely — improving fitness and diversity").

> to reduce to a reasonable equilibrium point such as for example the prescribed (and arbitrary) 500 million and live more like other biological organisms of the Earth planet

This is not how other biological organisms work. They are currently in equilibrium because when they aren't they wipe almost everything else out and then create a new equilibrium or collapse the population. Humans are following in this grand tradition of nature. It is destructive tradition and I think we should break with nature on this point.

There is a decent chance that industrial civilization is so disruptive it brings about its own destruction. We should be taking steps to not speed run our own extinction and the extinction of a good chunk of complex life on this planet, but it does not seem that at the present moment that we are willing to do what is necessary.

A great book on this subject is In The Absence of the Sacred by Jerry Mander. He argues convincingly that the correct biological metaphor for technological progress is not evolution, but inbreeding. We are turning our attention more and more into worlds of our own construction.

Still, there's a lot of cool technology out there, and a lot of room to use it better.

I don’t understand where this is coming from, but I disagree technology is the bane of humanity. It’s our human nature—language, thought, ideation. We are our own worst enemy.