Everyone wants to close down their corner of the internet because they think AI is going to make them a ton of money. We're getting the first part but I'm not sure we're seeing the latter ... anywhere as far as platforms go.
What they're really afraid of is that people will read content using LLM inference and make all the ads and nags and "download the app for a crap experience" go away -- and never click on ads accidentally for an occasional ka-ching.
Yeah, the front end for de-enshittification looks a lot like that other archive site,
In the summer of 2020 I was driving to Buffalo a lot with my son and getting cheap hotel deals thanks to the pandemic and thinking about missile defense systems and I was sick and tired of the awful shape of the web and dreaming up a system that would "archive" 100% of web pages before I read them. I spent two weeks on a spike prototype and concluded that an "archiver" can never really know if a modern web page is done loading so it at best uses heuristics to make the page load completely and waits a long time -- which makes following a link even slower than waiting for all the ads and trackers to load. I finally got Fiber-to-the-Node at home so downloading all the trash of the annoyances economy became more tolerable, a lot of the ideas I had that the time made it into my RSS reader a few years later.
It's so weird how fragile digital history is. When things first became digital I remember sentiments of "things can now be maintained perfectly forever" but today it feels like that in 30 years we'll have a better record of 1820 than 2020.
Is it? Its very easy to produce (hence there's too many of them) and they are extremely fragile (bit rot, complicated format that no one knows how to parse etc). Seems to be this is inevitable. I personally think Youtube is going to start pruning their database in the next decade.
> They are not specifically targeting Wayback Machine.
Anything other than residential IP's are blocked, to my information. Such as IP's of cloud services like Hetzner, GCP, AWS... The list goes on. (from my comment there)
I doubt that'll be a deal reddit will find palatable, given there's no obvious monetary incentive for them to allow archiving in the first place, but there are some to blocking others from being able to index their content, like funnelling those exact people trying to index them into licencing reddits content instead, and preventing the people who are already doing that from getting ideas.
Why should there be a balance between archiving (a useful social good) and exploitation by a platform of copyrighted material they did not create and do not own?
Ironically enough rampant piracy turned out to be the best method for preserving history because that way thousands of people have x or y thing on their hard drive stored and preserved in decentralized fashion. One way centralized archiving is fragile.
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[ 2.4 ms ] story [ 33.4 ms ] threadYeah, the front end for de-enshittification looks a lot like that other archive site,
https://archive.today/
In the summer of 2020 I was driving to Buffalo a lot with my son and getting cheap hotel deals thanks to the pandemic and thinking about missile defense systems and I was sick and tired of the awful shape of the web and dreaming up a system that would "archive" 100% of web pages before I read them. I spent two weeks on a spike prototype and concluded that an "archiver" can never really know if a modern web page is done loading so it at best uses heuristics to make the page load completely and waits a long time -- which makes following a link even slower than waiting for all the ads and trackers to load. I finally got Fiber-to-the-Node at home so downloading all the trash of the annoyances economy became more tolerable, a lot of the ideas I had that the time made it into my RSS reader a few years later.
Is it? Its very easy to produce (hence there's too many of them) and they are extremely fragile (bit rot, complicated format that no one knows how to parse etc). Seems to be this is inevitable. I personally think Youtube is going to start pruning their database in the next decade.
See: https://www.reddit.com/r/internetarchive/comments/1gpn54q/is...
> They are not specifically targeting Wayback Machine. Anything other than residential IP's are blocked, to my information. Such as IP's of cloud services like Hetzner, GCP, AWS... The list goes on. (from my comment there)
A way to balance archiving (in case something happens to Reddit) and exploitation (of copyright/material).