If your job is to issue marriage licenses and you don’t want to, at what point is that on YOU to make adjustments?
I do not see how her personal objection should have any impact to other people’s lives. She is issuing marriage licenses and FOR the state, not her personal endorsement.
I sure didn’t care about or even know who issued my marriage license and it sure wasn’t their job to pass judgment.
If allowed couldn’t just anyone take state jobs and claim “religious objection, I won’t do it, all you citizens can’t have whatever it is I do”?
This, and abortion, are also the only contexts in which this particular type of objection ever comes up. Nobody who has a religious objection to alcohol is demanding that alcohol be banned so that they don't have to deal with it in their restaurant job, say. It's a fairly transparent pretext and it's kind of absurd that the media gives any credence to her _stated_ motivations.
I do wonder what these people's thought process is, to want to make gay marriage illegal. I grew up in a Christian household, and definitely used to be homophobic, as a sort of default. But once I was old enough to think for myself (I think around ~14 or so), I considered the issue and realised I was being stupid. My reasoning was, if people of the same gender want to be together, it doesn't affect me and is none of my business. I went from a vague, abstract dissaproval/discomfort to not caring, or a vague 'good for you' sentiment.
The entire thing has had me wondering ever since, when people who should be capable of learning better (i.e, not surrounded solely by bigots that prevent them re-considering/speaking up) are homophic, transphobic, racist, etc, what is going on inside their head? Have they just never given it thought? Like, what does a rational argument against homosexuality look like? I have always been forced to conclude that bigotry is irrational on the level of full-on delusion.
For some people, it is literally a fear that they ways in which they are specially privileged is being attacked. This was particularly obvious in the debates about equal marriage in the noughties and tens; people claiming that same-sex marriage would 'devalue' their own marriage. Which, in their eyes I suppose it might, because it would diminish how special they were.
But you see similar themes in most anti-equality movements, just generally a bit more veiled (I was kind of astonished how _blatant_ the opponents of equal marriage were about basically admitting "we object to this because it is an attack on how society considers us to be better than you").
> In a petition for writ of certiorari filed last month
A quick search says the court accepts approximately a percent of those.
And AIUI they usually prefer cases where the lower courts disagree with eachother, which I don't think this one is. And it sounds like every court she's been through on the way up has unanimously shot her down.
I rather suspect this should be taken about as seriously as your local sovereign citizen trying to have income taxes declared illegal.
I would say that this is going to go nowhere, but after the Supreme Court's absolutely disastrous reversal on Roe v. Wade it would not surprise me if they finally take it up here and say they're going to kick it back down to the states. It'll be an absolute shitshow as all the states that had bans and other restrictions kick in.
Good luck to all the tech companies that have offices in red states if it comes to pass.
> "If there ever was a case of exceptional importance," Staver wrote, "the first individual in the Republic's history who was jailed for following her religious convictions regarding the historic definition of marriage, this should be it."
Kim Davis has been married four times to three men [1][2].
She had twins in 1994, five months after divorcing her first husband, with the biological father being the man who later became her third husband, which seems to point to an affair during the marriage [1][3][2].
If this is about upholding Christian convictions, her own history doesn’t exactly model them.
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[ 5.5 ms ] story [ 30.6 ms ] threadI do not see how her personal objection should have any impact to other people’s lives. She is issuing marriage licenses and FOR the state, not her personal endorsement.
I sure didn’t care about or even know who issued my marriage license and it sure wasn’t their job to pass judgment.
If allowed couldn’t just anyone take state jobs and claim “religious objection, I won’t do it, all you citizens can’t have whatever it is I do”?
Just absurd.
The entire thing has had me wondering ever since, when people who should be capable of learning better (i.e, not surrounded solely by bigots that prevent them re-considering/speaking up) are homophic, transphobic, racist, etc, what is going on inside their head? Have they just never given it thought? Like, what does a rational argument against homosexuality look like? I have always been forced to conclude that bigotry is irrational on the level of full-on delusion.
But you see similar themes in most anti-equality movements, just generally a bit more veiled (I was kind of astonished how _blatant_ the opponents of equal marriage were about basically admitting "we object to this because it is an attack on how society considers us to be better than you").
A quick search says the court accepts approximately a percent of those.
And AIUI they usually prefer cases where the lower courts disagree with eachother, which I don't think this one is. And it sounds like every court she's been through on the way up has unanimously shot her down.
I rather suspect this should be taken about as seriously as your local sovereign citizen trying to have income taxes declared illegal.
Good luck to all the tech companies that have offices in red states if it comes to pass.
Kim Davis has been married four times to three men [1][2].
She had twins in 1994, five months after divorcing her first husband, with the biological father being the man who later became her third husband, which seems to point to an affair during the marriage [1][3][2].
If this is about upholding Christian convictions, her own history doesn’t exactly model them.
[1] https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/09/01/kentucky-cle...
[2] https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kentucky-clerk-same-sex-marriag...
[3] https://people.com/celebrity/kim-davis-married-four-times-re...