There are weapons that can permanently paralyze an entire city. Not paralyze infrastructure or traffic... but permanent incurable paralysis of all the people in any area exposed to the weapon. That is still a 20th century technology.
It shoots an ice pellet, which can stay perfectly intact for a range of 100m(!), yet leaves a “tiny red prick on the victim” (implying it’s maybe a ~1mm in diameter), yet also instantly melts when it hits the victim?
And the gun has a ginormous scope, on top of a “modified colt m1911” that was made electric? How and why would you modify a non-electric handgun with a large internal barrel for this?
There is no evidence the heart attack gun ever existed.
Every description of it is ludicrous.
>here, researchers under Dr. Nathan Gordon, a CIA chemist, mixed shellfish toxin with water and froze the mixture into a small pellet or dart. The finished projectile would be fired from a modified Colt M1911 pistol equipped with an electrical firing mechanism. It had an effective range of 100 meters and was virtually noiseless when fired.
The device held up by Senator Frank Church was not a modified Colt M1911. It was an air pistol with absurd rifle sight attached.
That device has no mechanism for cooling the pellets. The second a frozen pellet is inserted into that device it will begin melting.
Very few handguns, to the point that "none" is accurate ENOUGH, have an effective range of more than ~50 meters. There are some calibers, not nearly-silent ice pellets, that can travel further but their ballistics out of short barrels are so poor that demos at 100 yards and beyond are exercises in exhibition and bragging rights.
No known combinations of mechanisms needed to propel a projectile 100 meters are virtually noiseless. Even air rifles that can fling a metal pellet several hundred yards as their "maximum range" but operate in 50-60 yards as their "effective range" make a shit ton of noise.
Any small dart-like ice pellet would immediately disintegrate into dust at the forces needed to travel even a fraction of 100 meters with enough energy to pierce human skinned clothing.
Any large .45 caliber ice pellet would shatter and if it struck a target with enough force to penetrate skin it would leave way more than "a tiny red dot"'s worth of signature.
Saxitoxin is not, and has never been since its isolation, undetectable. It doesn't "disappear" from the body after death (indeed
the mechanisms that would cause its distruction cease upon death) and can be detected with simple tests.
This doesn't make sense except as a distraction from things the CIA really didn't want investigators to see.
Besides the Church Committee testimony, is there any evidence for the heart attack gun existing? There's part of me that wonders if they made it up for the purpose of disclosing it to Congress, to make themselves seem like they were authentically participating in the overview and accountability proceedings.
Kind of like the way murder suspects in police interrogations might give unprompted and quite possibly fake confessions to minor crimes, to manipulate the police into believing the suspect is being open about everything and doesn't have anything to hide.
Part of my doubt stems from my confusion about how a traceless dart gun would actually work. The dart guns I know of fire darts with fletchings, they can't be discrete. If you removed the fletchings, the darts would almost certainly tumble. If they said it was a BB gun that fired poisoned BBs then I wouldn't think twice about it, but they say it shot darts..
The information in the article is shocking and disturbing, and largely known to most informed people.
So I'm not sure what's meant by the "got away with" part.
It's hard to call it "getting away with", when it's the standard operating procedure of the agency. What is it exactly that they don't get away with? With people being routinely killed worldwide.
When I saw a little old lady, literally in a doily hat, in the BWI airport, looking terrified as she was forced to sit in the stainless steel seat, with her feet in the marked feet positions, as she was being questioned, because TSA had found a nail file in her bag 8-/ I knew the gangsters were out of the closet.
Cornering, questioning, and roughing up the public, in public, was now fair game for the federal government.
Dick Chaney's wet dream come true.
All of this is now massively superseded by the cheeto administration. Masked people, in unmarked cars, dragging people off of the streets for shipment to foreign country's dark prisons.
But the democratic administrations have also been eager user's of the "Fascist State United Act". Terrorism is functionally defined as anyone impeding the revenue stream of a large powerful organization.
And once designated, there are many avenues of intimidation, up to and including murder. Which isn't usually needed, but is always available as an option.
Recreating the Church commission today wouldn't be just difficult, it is completely impossible. The two dominant poitical parties have no interest in reform, and no one is going to stop them.
Ah, the feared CIA, that did nothing while the us imploded - my guess is the heart attack gun did never work, but the agency ordered several mansions worth of it.
AntiImperial russians, innocent brown people, white colonizers, the mighty dark cabals of the CIA.. is that all whats left of this story?
The Church Committee investigated excesses at CIA. The article deals mainly with creating agitprop which the administration creates regularly on its own.
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[ 2.9 ms ] story [ 56.1 ms ] threadAlso it's interesting to note how Russia doesn't use a gun like this, they spike drinks/food or spray it on surfaces like doorknobs.
It shoots an ice pellet, which can stay perfectly intact for a range of 100m(!), yet leaves a “tiny red prick on the victim” (implying it’s maybe a ~1mm in diameter), yet also instantly melts when it hits the victim?
And the gun has a ginormous scope, on top of a “modified colt m1911” that was made electric? How and why would you modify a non-electric handgun with a large internal barrel for this?
Every description of it is ludicrous.
>here, researchers under Dr. Nathan Gordon, a CIA chemist, mixed shellfish toxin with water and froze the mixture into a small pellet or dart. The finished projectile would be fired from a modified Colt M1911 pistol equipped with an electrical firing mechanism. It had an effective range of 100 meters and was virtually noiseless when fired.
The device held up by Senator Frank Church was not a modified Colt M1911. It was an air pistol with absurd rifle sight attached.
That device has no mechanism for cooling the pellets. The second a frozen pellet is inserted into that device it will begin melting.
Very few handguns, to the point that "none" is accurate ENOUGH, have an effective range of more than ~50 meters. There are some calibers, not nearly-silent ice pellets, that can travel further but their ballistics out of short barrels are so poor that demos at 100 yards and beyond are exercises in exhibition and bragging rights.
No known combinations of mechanisms needed to propel a projectile 100 meters are virtually noiseless. Even air rifles that can fling a metal pellet several hundred yards as their "maximum range" but operate in 50-60 yards as their "effective range" make a shit ton of noise.
Any small dart-like ice pellet would immediately disintegrate into dust at the forces needed to travel even a fraction of 100 meters with enough energy to pierce human skinned clothing.
Any large .45 caliber ice pellet would shatter and if it struck a target with enough force to penetrate skin it would leave way more than "a tiny red dot"'s worth of signature.
Saxitoxin is not, and has never been since its isolation, undetectable. It doesn't "disappear" from the body after death (indeed the mechanisms that would cause its distruction cease upon death) and can be detected with simple tests.
This doesn't make sense except as a distraction from things the CIA really didn't want investigators to see.
Kind of like the way murder suspects in police interrogations might give unprompted and quite possibly fake confessions to minor crimes, to manipulate the police into believing the suspect is being open about everything and doesn't have anything to hide.
Part of my doubt stems from my confusion about how a traceless dart gun would actually work. The dart guns I know of fire darts with fletchings, they can't be discrete. If you removed the fletchings, the darts would almost certainly tumble. If they said it was a BB gun that fired poisoned BBs then I wouldn't think twice about it, but they say it shot darts..
So I'm not sure what's meant by the "got away with" part.
It's hard to call it "getting away with", when it's the standard operating procedure of the agency. What is it exactly that they don't get away with? With people being routinely killed worldwide.
When I saw a little old lady, literally in a doily hat, in the BWI airport, looking terrified as she was forced to sit in the stainless steel seat, with her feet in the marked feet positions, as she was being questioned, because TSA had found a nail file in her bag 8-/ I knew the gangsters were out of the closet.
Cornering, questioning, and roughing up the public, in public, was now fair game for the federal government.
Dick Chaney's wet dream come true.
All of this is now massively superseded by the cheeto administration. Masked people, in unmarked cars, dragging people off of the streets for shipment to foreign country's dark prisons.
But the democratic administrations have also been eager user's of the "Fascist State United Act". Terrorism is functionally defined as anyone impeding the revenue stream of a large powerful organization.
And once designated, there are many avenues of intimidation, up to and including murder. Which isn't usually needed, but is always available as an option.
Recreating the Church commission today wouldn't be just difficult, it is completely impossible. The two dominant poitical parties have no interest in reform, and no one is going to stop them.
How is that untraceable? Gee, we found an extremely sophisticated shellfish toxin dart in the victim, must be nothing! What a stupid article
AntiImperial russians, innocent brown people, white colonizers, the mighty dark cabals of the CIA.. is that all whats left of this story?
that's... that's what they're hired and paid to do.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9404673/