That is really cool. One thing I have to ask though. Does the Framework have the same problem as other bottom intake fans that collect dust inside the fan?
Oh boy do they. I have a fw-13 and I think it is the biggest issue with this machine. Cleaning it is not trivial either, harder than most laptops in fact.
What's the bottleneck in getting a Macbook like touchpad experience in a modern non-Apple laptop? Is it software? Some specific company that won't sell parts to anyone else? Patents?
I have tried several laptops, and nothing has even comes close in the last ten or so years.
I am hoping you might have some unique insight into this!
PS: Framework Laptop 16 looks great, will order one later this year and then get a GPU with more vram whenever available in future.
I understand there's two versions of requirements for the NVidia 50 series - the higher end 5070Ti and up, and the lower end 5070 and down. What's the chance of releasing a 5070Ti/5080 version?
Random question for framework owners - my 1st gen Framework 13 recently started screaming it's fans all day, every day, even when it's asleep.
Where's the best places to go for troubleshooting, user guides, etc? I've played with all the bios and framework settings I can find, so I'm guessing it's hardware related, if that changes the resource recommendations.
Kinda wish you guys didn't have an Nvidia product at all. It's only really useful for Windows users, but openly hostile and offensive to Linux desktop users.
I just bought a Framework 16 7840HS last week and now it's 7% off. Guess I should have waited a little longer. Glad to see they're committing to upgrades for it, though, so I guess it was still a good investment
Very nice. Glad Framework finally updated the CPU/APU on this because I really want the Ryzen AI APU in a 16 inch form factor (I don't care about dedicated GPUs though).
The idea of Framework laptops sounds great! But I’m wondering: has anyone done an economic analysis comparing buying a Framework laptop a few years ago and gradually upgrading it, versus buying a similar popular brand laptop and just upgrading by getting a new model? I’m not trolling, I’m genuinely considering Framework as my next laptop.
It depends what you are looking for. If you care about overall price you don't buy brand new.
I want something that can run an Linux, IDE and some tooling that I can stick in my bag and not care too much about it so I buy refurbs. Often there isn't much wrong with them other than minor cosmetic damage.
I always go for Dell Business or Lenovo Thinkpads. There are plenty of spare parts available online. They typically work well with Linux & BSDs. I can get a laptop that was a flag ship a few years ago for like 1/3rd the price and often it is more than good enough.
I am wondering about the RAM extensibility. The 7040 can be extended to have 128GB RAM (for example Crucial CT2K64G56C46S5) - anyone knows if the same still works?
I love the modularity, but unlike the 13" version this one is just too bulky. For this reason I am eyeing up Thinkpad P1, even though it is only available with an Intel CPU.
Hopefully this will be taken more seriously in the gaming laptop/productivity market. I'm really glad there's a properly repairable, relatively open high performance laptop.
Is there any plans or similar for a 14in GPU enabled (with a decent TGP) laptop? I got a 14in laptop recently and find it very good for a power/perforamnce tradeoff (ASUS G14 or Razer Blade 14). Not to mention the amazing battery life.
I'm glad the AMD GPU option still exists, I don't have great experience with NVIDIA on Linux. The rest of the upgrades, like the new top cover and keyboard, are very welcome
I came to say the same thing. In the late 2010s I ran Linux on a work-issued Lenovo P50 with a Nvidia Quadro M2000M. It was such a miserable experience that I swore to never own another NVIDIA product again.
Given both Framework and NVIDIA's checkered histories around Linux driver support, I see no reason to revisit that, but it is interesting to see the voices in this thread with positive NVIDIA experience.
Anyone using Framework for a daily driver that can compare to an M-series Macbook? Specifically, battery life on your OS. Does anything compare to a MBP these days?
From a value proposition, it seems good. Our group definitely goes through keyboards and mainboards from spilled tea at least annually it seems, but AppleCare is just a no-brainer, and away we go.
I still drive on my original M1 at home without complaint, and use my M3 at work. Anyone have the early Frameworks still in daily use? How are they?
I have an M2 Max MBP for work and a Framework 16 for home.
Build quality of the MBP is better. The machine feels more solid. The battery life is better, although to be fair, I run Linux on the Framework so the hardware itself isn't the only difference.
The Framework 16 wins hands-down when it comes to ports, one of my biggest pain points with any Apple laptop in the last 10 years. It has six of them and I can mostly arrange them according to my needs. In the rare cases where I plug it into an external monitor, I swap out one of the USB ports for an HDMI port. If I'm using more older devices than normal, I replace the USB-C ports with USB-A ports. I say "mostly" here because not all ports work in all positions.
The repairability and openness of the Framework laptop were the big draws for me and it delivered well on both counts. I'm happy with it.
Fantastic update, it has everything that made the first version a dealbreaker for me - it was just too weak. I feared Framework will position its 2in1 as a "student laptop", glad to hear they expand on it.
We sorely need more competition in the 2in1 segment, there aren't many good options. Either gaming laptops (no long commitment, bad build quality) or Lenovo Yogas (bad value, limited/weak hw options).
My experience with all these high-powered laptops is that they overheat and throttle when under load. I prefer the low-wattage CPUs and intel graphics: they don't overheat and the battery lasts much longer.
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I have tried several laptops, and nothing has even comes close in the last ten or so years.
I am hoping you might have some unique insight into this!
PS: Framework Laptop 16 looks great, will order one later this year and then get a GPU with more vram whenever available in future.
Is there an ongoing effort on solving this?
It even crashes firefox itself, and the android UI.
Unfortunately I am unwilling to give further details except that it is firefox on a very reasonable Android device.
Where's the best places to go for troubleshooting, user guides, etc? I've played with all the bios and framework settings I can find, so I'm guessing it's hardware related, if that changes the resource recommendations.
The specification targets on them are always chronically low.
I want something that can run an Linux, IDE and some tooling that I can stick in my bag and not care too much about it so I buy refurbs. Often there isn't much wrong with them other than minor cosmetic damage.
I always go for Dell Business or Lenovo Thinkpads. There are plenty of spare parts available online. They typically work well with Linux & BSDs. I can get a laptop that was a flag ship a few years ago for like 1/3rd the price and often it is more than good enough.
Weird phrasing. The #1 rule if you're getting hardware to run Linux is: don't by Nvidia.
Is there any plans or similar for a 14in GPU enabled (with a decent TGP) laptop? I got a 14in laptop recently and find it very good for a power/perforamnce tradeoff (ASUS G14 or Razer Blade 14). Not to mention the amazing battery life.
My ASUS ROG Strix cost me $1500 back when the 3080's were new and has a 3080. Have prices risen that much?
Given both Framework and NVIDIA's checkered histories around Linux driver support, I see no reason to revisit that, but it is interesting to see the voices in this thread with positive NVIDIA experience.
From a value proposition, it seems good. Our group definitely goes through keyboards and mainboards from spilled tea at least annually it seems, but AppleCare is just a no-brainer, and away we go.
I still drive on my original M1 at home without complaint, and use my M3 at work. Anyone have the early Frameworks still in daily use? How are they?
Build quality of the MBP is better. The machine feels more solid. The battery life is better, although to be fair, I run Linux on the Framework so the hardware itself isn't the only difference.
The Framework 16 wins hands-down when it comes to ports, one of my biggest pain points with any Apple laptop in the last 10 years. It has six of them and I can mostly arrange them according to my needs. In the rare cases where I plug it into an external monitor, I swap out one of the USB ports for an HDMI port. If I'm using more older devices than normal, I replace the USB-C ports with USB-A ports. I say "mostly" here because not all ports work in all positions.
The repairability and openness of the Framework laptop were the big draws for me and it delivered well on both counts. I'm happy with it.
We sorely need more competition in the 2in1 segment, there aren't many good options. Either gaming laptops (no long commitment, bad build quality) or Lenovo Yogas (bad value, limited/weak hw options).