very thoughtful. Obviously many conscientious Israelis are leaving their country (it's a real thing). Likewise with the US.
I am in the US, but my approach to the oligarchy/AIPAC takeover is real simple, though maybe not effective: just cut spending to a bare minimum. The billionaires need to make more more more, well not if I can help it. Politcally, everyone should switch to Independent status! Don't let them takw your vote for granted. Never ever vote straight party choices. It's more work to research each candidate but hey, enjoy learning sometimes unsavory details. Check opensecrets.org about who is bankrolling each candidate. Read responsible alternative news sources that don't push ads, and donate to the best ones.
Perhaps it's time to fork the united states and see how each half goes. One half will have food. One half will have money. There's probably enough guns and enough disorder to keep things messy. Very messy.
I guess we can take Irish solution and employ work-to-rule, passive resistance and the like. Prevent the cash from leaving the state, prevent the Guard from mobilizing or leaving the state. Rely on ejecting non-whites and women from the services doing a number on effectiveness.
Who gets to invoke Nato? The nukes are in red states I think, will they nuke themselves? Is there enough of an edge to teeter on to get people to wake up and turn on other branches of government? The Civil War was bloody. The French Revolution was bloody, perhaps the lack-of-bloodthirstiness will help people say "ah, f*ck it" and let things part?
Never, ever thought this sh*t possible. And so quickly... Puts China in a very odd position, trying to determine which result is optimal for China. Strong, well-armed rogue states aren't good for business.
He mentions Finland and Lapua movement as an example and it's correct, but there are others.
United Sates:
There was Ku Klux Klan (KKK) in the south.
In the 1930s fascism became very popular in the US. 25% of Americans listened regularly fascist radio program from father Charles Coughlin. "It is fascism or communism. We are at the crossroads. I take the road to fascism.” Large number of "shirts" organizations (fascists with different shirt colors, silver, black, green, .. ). In the Congress America First Committee, while not a fascist organization itself, included several core members with antisemitic and pro-fascist sympathies.
> We already have two incompatible visions of what America should be. One side wants a multi-ethnic democracy with a social safety net. The other wants a white Christian ethnostate with unlimited corporate power.
Isn't JD Vance married to an Indian lady?
The article is very interesting and smart and well written with some really great ideas, but I think there may be a little bit of hyperbole which Im still ok with.
Could it be a case of "unwanted fallacy"? (bear with me)
I mean:
At almost any point in time, when fascists are NOT in power, it's because they were, one way or another, stopped.
The logic would be: fascism is a systematic/automatic force that wants to seize power, usually by basing its ideology on anti-intellectualism, glorified past, enemies of the nation that must be eliminated/deported, imperialist motives (conquest, war, etc.).
This systematic force always exists. It always exists because there are always people who wants to dominate, oppress, express violence against this or that group of people.
Therefore, the few times fascists reached power in any country around the world it's because of a combination of factors and that's what we KNOW about.
For instance, this movement https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boulangisme never reached power. BUT it for sure planted the seeds of future hatred, extreme nationalism, etc. and they were VERY determined to take the power, and they didn't. But we don't 'count' it as "fascism that was stopped" because there was no clear, obvious, big event that we can pinpoint as fascists being stopped.
"I researched every attempt to stop fascism by democratic means. The success rate is 0%"
Also see:
"I tried to talk the neighborhood bully out of punching me in the face. The success rate is 0%"
I get that it poses an alarming precedent for our future in the US, but we haven't fully failed yet. Teetering, maybe. And if we fail, no election is going to save us, nor save the world from us.
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[ 4.7 ms ] story [ 41.6 ms ] threadI am in the US, but my approach to the oligarchy/AIPAC takeover is real simple, though maybe not effective: just cut spending to a bare minimum. The billionaires need to make more more more, well not if I can help it. Politcally, everyone should switch to Independent status! Don't let them takw your vote for granted. Never ever vote straight party choices. It's more work to research each candidate but hey, enjoy learning sometimes unsavory details. Check opensecrets.org about who is bankrolling each candidate. Read responsible alternative news sources that don't push ads, and donate to the best ones.
I guess we can take Irish solution and employ work-to-rule, passive resistance and the like. Prevent the cash from leaving the state, prevent the Guard from mobilizing or leaving the state. Rely on ejecting non-whites and women from the services doing a number on effectiveness.
Who gets to invoke Nato? The nukes are in red states I think, will they nuke themselves? Is there enough of an edge to teeter on to get people to wake up and turn on other branches of government? The Civil War was bloody. The French Revolution was bloody, perhaps the lack-of-bloodthirstiness will help people say "ah, f*ck it" and let things part?
Never, ever thought this sh*t possible. And so quickly... Puts China in a very odd position, trying to determine which result is optimal for China. Strong, well-armed rogue states aren't good for business.
OP Refuted by:
Italy (Mussolini’s Fascist Regime)
Spain (Franco’s Regime)
Portugal (Estado Novo)
Chile (Pinochet)
United Sates:
There was Ku Klux Klan (KKK) in the south.
In the 1930s fascism became very popular in the US. 25% of Americans listened regularly fascist radio program from father Charles Coughlin. "It is fascism or communism. We are at the crossroads. I take the road to fascism.” Large number of "shirts" organizations (fascists with different shirt colors, silver, black, green, .. ). In the Congress America First Committee, while not a fascist organization itself, included several core members with antisemitic and pro-fascist sympathies.
They would shut off the water supply to California
Isn't JD Vance married to an Indian lady?
The article is very interesting and smart and well written with some really great ideas, but I think there may be a little bit of hyperbole which Im still ok with.
What's your point? One GOP married a brown-skinned person, so they all get a pass?
This is the equivalent of a person on the right calling all liberals "coastal elites that support child molestation"
It's a tribal trait to demonize the "other".
And I say that being mostly a leftist.
I mean: At almost any point in time, when fascists are NOT in power, it's because they were, one way or another, stopped.
The logic would be: fascism is a systematic/automatic force that wants to seize power, usually by basing its ideology on anti-intellectualism, glorified past, enemies of the nation that must be eliminated/deported, imperialist motives (conquest, war, etc.).
This systematic force always exists. It always exists because there are always people who wants to dominate, oppress, express violence against this or that group of people.
Therefore, the few times fascists reached power in any country around the world it's because of a combination of factors and that's what we KNOW about.
For instance, this movement https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boulangisme never reached power. BUT it for sure planted the seeds of future hatred, extreme nationalism, etc. and they were VERY determined to take the power, and they didn't. But we don't 'count' it as "fascism that was stopped" because there was no clear, obvious, big event that we can pinpoint as fascists being stopped.
"I researched every attempt to stop fascism by democratic means. The success rate is 0%"
Also see:
"I tried to talk the neighborhood bully out of punching me in the face. The success rate is 0%"
I get that it poses an alarming precedent for our future in the US, but we haven't fully failed yet. Teetering, maybe. And if we fail, no election is going to save us, nor save the world from us.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_Putsch
Fascist supported by Nazi Germany killed the dictator of Austria, who was supported by the Italian fascist government .
But yeah, we're screwed