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This is horrible.

Nearly as horrifying are all of the people that bust their asses because they care and don’t want to lose their jobs, then the managers and/or companies who’ve come to expect that fire them when they burn out, after they’ve amassed health problems, and they haven’t spent any time in career-related training nor networked with others to find something else.

The sad part is that no one forces you to work that hard. You're free to say NO! and work less, even this will results being laid off. Only during 1:1s your manager may highlight that deadline is soon and would be great if the project would be delivered on time, and little hint about a promo. But you set goals and force yourself to do more, single night this less sleep doesn't hurt anyone. Then there are more such nights of coding and you feel barely alive. 90% work is done, only very little left to finish. And then bam!

Upd:

I didn’t mean that this is ok, I’m for workers rights.

Companies have no morals. They only respond to profit.

Abolish the overtime exemption for computer systems analysts, computer programmers, and software engineers. Make it unprofitable to extract labor until someone dies. All other actions are impotent.

“Lord Coke gravely informs us that corporations cannot be excommunicated, because they have no souls, and they appear to be as destitute of every feeling as if they had also no bowels.... There is in truth but one point through which they are vulnerable, and that is the keyhole of the cash box.” - Hugo Grotius, Dutch (1583—1645)
The sad part in all of this is that Microsoft likely had no policy that required him to work this much and yet the Microsoft cultural pressure combined with H1B unknowns drove him to not take care of himself and apply immense amounts of undue pressure. Managers need to be aware of this and question why their employees feel the need to work this much. Either hire more or coach the employees not to burn out.
The issues around H1B visas are ruining American work culture and have been for some time. TBH, it’s already captured and I think it’s too late to fix it
There was this meme I read somewhere:

"Here is a button. If you press it, you get $50.000, but someone you don't know dies. Will you press it?

Some people never press it. Some people press it once, maybe twice. The billionaires press it as fast as they can."

This time we got to know one of the victims, but definitely all those projects he was working on generated so much value for the shareholders.

The more you work, the more you will have to work. They will exploit you that much more.

Insufficient sleep is very bad for the heart. It is critically important for long-term health to to leave work on the dot at 5 pm, then get some exercise done in the evening if not in the very early morning. Also, stop relying on fast food for meals.

I dunno I’ve been seeing more of these stories ever since sars2 started circulating but it’s probably “just stress”
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For anyone out there who's in the same situation, please don't work when you're sick - that's when you're the most vulnerable. Over my career, I've known two otherwise healthy individuals who continued to press despite having the flu and both lost their lives.
Microsoft’s continuous firings over the past few years has put a tremendous amount of pressure on employees to demonstrate value. I have observed H1B holders especially affected by this pressure as getting laid off in this economy may well result in getting kicked out of the country. Pretty shameful stuff.
Big tech companies will take every once of energy and time you give them. With H1Bs it can be horrible as they threaten firing folks that will often have to upend and leave the country if they stop working there. By most standards it’s almost indentured servitude.

As much as they say they care about employees, honestly they don’t. It’s important to draw a line and say no. These companies would dump you tomorrow and not think twice about it. Work hard and have fun, but remember they call it “compensation” for a reason. Don’t let a company you don’t own be your life… that never works out well in the long run.