Europol said ChatControl doesn't go far enough; they want to retain data forever (old.reddit.com)

original title: Europol said Chat Control doesn’t go far enough; they want to retain all data of all citizens forever [Washington Post source in comment]

Typical. Give them a finger, they take an arm, a leg, your house, your firstborn and all your data.

Every request by law enforcement must be opposed. Do not talk to cops. Do not give them an inch. Ever.

They are insatiable and power-hungry. Nothing will suffice. A police state will still be a million police officers and some stricter laws short.

I mean, of course they would say that. Europol's job would probably be a whole lot easier if they had access to all conversations, media, live feed of webcams from all devices of all European citizens with unlimited history. Think of all the crimes they could solve if only there was absolutely no privacy for any of us!

"those services should include publicly available interpersonal communications service"

Only publicly available messengers are liable. So if one writes a messenger herself (not too hard) and only distributes it to her friends, family, or a close circle of child porn lovers, one is not liable.

I can see a valid use for a version of chat control where the communications of all elected officials are retained forever and audited on a regular basis for doing anything illegal, proposing anything illegal, actions not in the public interest, cronyism etc. All data should be released when they die, 10 years after they leave office or upon conviction of a crime related to political appointment.

Europol shouldn't have the legitimacy of even say anything on that topic.

I love the EUSSR

So those Europol managers need to get their citizenships revoked, if they choose to stand outside the constitution. And observed. Simple as that.

You bet I would find a way or service, where I could upload daily at least 100 GB of data just to troll them.

Surveillance state would no doubt make their lives easier but that doesn’t make it a good idea

Please consider supporting https://edri.org to fight this.

Patrick Breyer has an article how American foundation Thorn is heavily lobbying Europol for this stuff. And there's some cross hiring going on according to him.

Clearly it's not even just "for the children" anymore. Just plain old panopticon surveillance. I guess they want their NSA too. Though they forget that NSA is only for terrorism purposes, their data is not too be used for regular policing.

https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/chat-control-eu-ombudsman-l...

Really sensationalized title, the source is "an unnamed Europol police official" so it basically boils down to personal opinion, not the official stance of Europol as a whole. Although I'm sure they aren't alone, sensationalizing really doesn't help to have a sensible discussion about it...

The Europol is a EU support body, and not a federal police. They can't by law apply coercive measures, and its staff cannot execute investigative measures. It can only assist national police, can request, but not compel and may ask Member States to open investigations but the Capitals can say no.

It's nothing more one of the examples of EU bureaucrats trying to justify their inflated EU salaries. It is mostly coordination paperwork that inflates Brussels chaos without direct crime fighting effectiveness.

Should be closed as each country police already cooperates as needed. They are nothing more than a support only EU agency requesting bigger scopes to justify their existence.

Does this include the chats of Ursula von der Leyen?

With the DDR and Stasi archives in living memory, who can think this is a good direction to head in?

Did they say that? We've got a Reddit post showing a screenshot of a quotation from an anonymous person during an unnamed meeting, but not much else to go on here.

I think the original article is this one: https://balkaninsight.com/2023/09/29/europol-sought-unlimite...

They have another interesting article: https://balkaninsight.com/2023/09/25/who-benefits-inside-the...

Follow the money also has a few articles about... Well, money and thorn and eu csam regulation

As if Stasi hasn't taught people anything.

Some random anonymous Europol official said something off-the-cuff to a random Bloomberg journalist. Europol has not said anything at all.

Kind of funny that years ago I was insulted and talked down to when I said that EU going from trade union to federalisation is a bad idea.

Chat Control and whatever is following from that is just the beginning.

Of course they do, it's their job to say so. And the job of politicians with any integrity is to say "No, next topic".

Makes you wonder to what extent are things like Europol behind app store and sideloading policies, doesn't it?

And then you compare this. Let's say you do get scammed into transferring money. Can Europol, or any police department, help you? No ...

Think of the children!

The source from (2024):

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2024/03/05/encrypt...

(https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39609846)

Can start a discussion here without reddit threads of random article screenshots.

That is going against GDPR + who is going to pay for that? Slack is already limiting what you can retain on free account.