How are others processing this horrific backsliding in scientific trust, literacy, and straight up lack of compassion for the most vulnerable in the US?
Folks can surely see the connection between dropping vaccination rates and the rise of measles in Texas for example. Why aren't more people outraged and how are they allowing unprincipled politicians to impact their lives so drastically in pursuit of power?
Being ignorant, unreasonable, a billionaire, or a pedophile should be uniformly punished severely socially if judicial, legislative, and executive bureaucrats won't.
It's like it would just be the end of the world if one American had to think about another American's life. Very disappointing, but then again I guess getting rid of vaccines will be all the rage until the backlash and then it'll be 20 years of we need vaccines and then it'll be 20 years of no vaccines and then... Because we just can't learn anything.
Forget caring about others do Floridians really think families will keep flocking to Disney and Florida vacations if the state lets measles and mumps outbreaks leave kids deaf, or a polio outbreak paralyze them? When my kids were little Florida would instantly be a pass from me after this.
Looking at this from a glass half full mindset, a decade from now we should have a pretty interesting data set from a public health policy perspective.
Prior to this, to get such a large subset of children to not take vaccines for an epidemiological study would probably be illegal or at best be considered highly unethical. Convincing parents to enroll their children in such a study in the name of science and for a small stipend would probably be next to impossible considering the potential lifetime impacts.
I posit that the challenge has been that in order to prove vaccine efficacy on a continuing/updated basis, you need access to a non-vaccinated control group that controls for developed world socio-economic conditions which didn't exist (until now). Thus there hasn't been an easy way to do large population scale studies on vaccine efficacy - so it did somewhat become a "trust us" tautology (until now).
A remarkably stupid decision made by remarkably stupid people that won't face the consequences of their actions, because it'll primarily be the vulnerable that have to deal with the fallout of disease resurgence.
Steel-man it: Perhaps DeSantis and the other geniuses in Tallahassee are simply incentivizing the Florida population to develop herd immunity to polio, measles, and meningitis.
When would we see actual effects from ending vaccine requirements immediately, seeing as a large number of children are already vaccinated? What would it look like?
Depends on your assumptions. Measles requires 92-95% immunity for hers immunity.
Here's a likely scenario for a K-5 school of 600 children, 100 per class, assume incoming post requirement drop is 1/5 students:
Year 0: 96% immune (Typical from what I can glean online)
Year 1: 80% of Ks now immunity from vaccination. 96% of 1-5 immune as normal. Non immune =20 +5*(4) = 40 out of 600, or 7% of 600 kiddos. So 93% rate of immunity. Right on the bubble in a year's time.
Tweak numbers as you'd like, but with even modest decreases (16% loss, or and additional one in 6 hesitancy) in vaccination, Measles herd immunity is tettering in a year and lost in the second year, by a large margin
The better question is why announce this message? was there some sort of push for some contradictory vaccine policy from the federal government? This is another thinly veiled attempt to distract from the fact Trump is connected to Epistein. The children of Florida are going to pay, again for Trump meddling with their lives.
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[ 2.3 ms ] story [ 32.3 ms ] threadFolks can surely see the connection between dropping vaccination rates and the rise of measles in Texas for example. Why aren't more people outraged and how are they allowing unprincipled politicians to impact their lives so drastically in pursuit of power?
Prior to this, to get such a large subset of children to not take vaccines for an epidemiological study would probably be illegal or at best be considered highly unethical. Convincing parents to enroll their children in such a study in the name of science and for a small stipend would probably be next to impossible considering the potential lifetime impacts.
I posit that the challenge has been that in order to prove vaccine efficacy on a continuing/updated basis, you need access to a non-vaccinated control group that controls for developed world socio-economic conditions which didn't exist (until now). Thus there hasn't been an easy way to do large population scale studies on vaccine efficacy - so it did somewhat become a "trust us" tautology (until now).
The problem with FL not vaccinating is that people who are sick will spread disease (and die) at different rates than those who are vaccinated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfoxqghXxEs
Here's a likely scenario for a K-5 school of 600 children, 100 per class, assume incoming post requirement drop is 1/5 students:
Year 0: 96% immune (Typical from what I can glean online)
Year 1: 80% of Ks now immunity from vaccination. 96% of 1-5 immune as normal. Non immune =20 +5*(4) = 40 out of 600, or 7% of 600 kiddos. So 93% rate of immunity. Right on the bubble in a year's time.
Tweak numbers as you'd like, but with even modest decreases (16% loss, or and additional one in 6 hesitancy) in vaccination, Measles herd immunity is tettering in a year and lost in the second year, by a large margin
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